B.S. Onside Kick rules really ruin the game

[CRA]

53 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The college system takes special teams out of the equation.

That sucks ass.

Teams in the NFL generally are either offensively or defensively driven. 

Pro system too often removes an entire offense out of the equation.   

[TN05]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

Teams in the NFL generally are either offensively or defensively driven. 

Pro system too often removes an entire offense out of the equation.   

All the defense has to do is stop a touchdown. Not a big request.

[Davidson Deac II]

5 hours ago, TN05 said:

College overtime is an abomination that barely resembles football. The current overtime system is basically perfect and actually fairer if you look at the numbers. 

The team that wins the toss has about a 10% better chance of winning.  The coin toss has to much of an impact and should be eliminated.  If they don't want to adopt the college system, then at least let both teams have the ball the same number of times.

 

Some folks say that the other team has a defense, which was a valid point back in the old days. But now, with rules that favor the offense so much, the old ways don't work as well.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Davidson Deac II said:

The team that wins the toss has about a 10% better chance of winning.  The coin toss should be eliminated.  If they don't want to adopt the college system, then let both teams have the ball at least once, even if the team getting the ball first scores a td.  

Some folks say that the other team has a defense, which was a valid point back in the old days. But now, with rules that favor the offense so much, the old ways don't work as well.

That's the only rule I would change about NFL overtime. I do believe both teams should get a chance to possess the ball.

I think they do follow that rule in the postseason, but it should be all the time.

[Davidson Deac II]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

That's the only rule I would change about NFL overtime. I do believe both teams should get a chance to possess the ball.

I think they do follow that rule in the postseason, but it should be all the time.

Did they change it?  I don't remember the Falcons getting the ball in the SB.

[Immortal]

NFL on side kicks are trash and the rule does make it worse.

It seems like the NFL would make the on side kick MORE likely, teams usually who are onside kicking most likely have a 5 percent chance if that to even win at that point in the game. Kickers would get a lot more respect.. if you had a onside kick specialist that would be exciting to see. Or even a weird idea of like best of 3. Once a team is up by 3 scores past half time its tough to see a comeback.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Did they change it?  I don't remember the Falcons getting the ball in the SB.

Looked it up. It's the current system that used to apply only in the postseason. Now it applies across the board.

[brandon_87]

7 hours ago, Snake said:

Welcome to the safety NFL. This is what happens when you get lawsuits about willful brain damage. 

From people who willingly play the sport for money. Lots of money. If they wanna chat get it for safety the pay should go down to correspond the fans getting a less exciting product on the field

[The Huddler]

someone fill me in whats the rule

[Popsickle]

18 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

I think the best bet is to kick it as hard as you can at a specific player on the other team and hope they can't handle it and it deflects off them. Like have Slye kick it at a guy with the intent of having the ball shoot through the guy like a bullet, that kind of heat.

God could you imagine the uproar once some player gets knocked the fug out by an onsides  kick. Hahahaha

[Sgt Schultz]

24 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

someone fill me in whats the rule

The current OT rule, which has been this way for a few seasons, is that both teams get at least one possession unless the team with the first possession scores a TD.  If the team receiving the kickoff fumbles it, that counts as their possession.  If they somehow give up a safety on the kickoff, that is their possession and the game is over.

When they went to a 10-minute OT, they put a crimp on a team that kicks off and winds up giving up a FG on a sustained drive.  The clock then often works against them.  I think I saw a game last year where the team with the first possession held the ball for 7:30 or so of the OT and then kicked a FG. 

The reason the Falcons did not get an OT possession in their loss to the Pats in the Super Bowl was the Pats scored a TD.  Had the Falcons held them to a FG, they would have received a kickoff and gotten a possession.

Aside from OT, the league has basically taken the kickoff return out of the game (it is practically ceremonial at this point) and have made the onside kick almost impossible without a gaffe by the team fielding it.  Even with a gaffe, he will have some time to recover, which used to not be the case.  When they moved the touchback to the 25, I thought kicking teams might start popping the kickoff up in an effort to get it to drop inside the five, and force a return with the defenders having more time to get downfield, but that has not happened much.  Who knows, it might be one of those "guidances" from the league.

[The Huddler]

21 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

The current OT rule, which has been this way for a few seasons, is that both teams get at least one possession unless the team with the first possession scores a TD.  If the team receiving the kickoff fumbles it, that counts as their possession.  If they somehow give up a safety on the kickoff, that is their possession and the game is over.

When they went to a 10-minute OT, they put a crimp on a team that kicks off and winds up giving up a FG on a sustained drive.  The clock then often works against them.  I think I saw a game last year where the team with the first possession held the ball for 7:30 or so of the OT and then kicked a FG. 

The reason the Falcons did not get an OT possession in their loss to the Pats in the Super Bowl was the Pats scored a TD.  Had the Falcons held them to a FG, they would have received a kickoff and gotten a possession.

Aside from OT, the league has basically taken the kickoff return out of the game (it is practically ceremonial at this point) and have made the onside kick almost impossible without a gaffe by the team fielding it.  Even with a gaffe, he will have some time to recover, which used to not be the case.  When they moved the touchback to the 25, I thought kicking teams might start popping the kickoff up in an effort to get it to drop inside the five, and force a return with the defenders having more time to get downfield, but that has not happened much.  Who knows, it might be one of those "guidances" from the league.

whats the onside kick rule people are complaining about

[Sgt Schultz]

1 minute ago, The Huddler said:

whats the onside kick rule people are complaining about

The big changes are the kicking team can not get a running start (so they have to be basically set when the ball is kicked) and the players have to be evenly distributed on both sides of the kicker, so 5 on each side.  No more overloading one side and no more being full speed when the ball is kicked.

[Dunn]

This is a random thought, but one I can't get out of my head as to why more teams don't do this...for kick offs why not have the kicker practice a higher pop-up type of kick which can guarantee your team getting down field and having a chance to either have the receiving team call a fair catch (pinning them wherever they catch it, which you'd hope is behind the 20) or have a better chance of getting a 'jump ball' if the receiving team doesn't call fair catch soon enough and you recover the kick, like a long onside kick?