What's up with all these hating on Cam threads?

[SBiii]

10 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Agree ESPN is garbage, was just showing they gave him a 17.1 not a 72. 

72.1 was the RTG.....QBR was 17.1.    Goff was 69.0 RTG and 20.0 QBR.

A lot of folks take issue with QBR so I used RTG when I stack ranked the 1st game performances (looked better for Cam too as he was 21-of-28, with QBR he was 27-of-28). 

Regardless, anything below 80.0 sucks. 

[Seltzer]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

every one could of played the exact same.....and if the ball bounced difference (ours vs them when they hit the ground)......reaction Monday would be totally different. 

I still got high hopes for this season.  TNF IMO will be big.  We got to win that game and Cam has to answer a question about his arm. 

The ball certainly didn't bounce our way yesterday.  To lose a fumble, have a tipped ball called a lateral/fumble on a questionable call, both of which the Rams recovered, and then watch them fumble the ball 3 times and recover (along with a BS call on a 4th fumble that we did recover)... statistically it's unbelievable how bad our luck was on that.  I've watched the Panthers religiously since 2002 and I can't remember a game where we were so unlucky with fumbles and/or calls.  It really is what a data person would call a "statistical anomaly."

Regardless, I hope we never have to experience it again.

I hope they ban anyone with the last name Hochuli from ever reffing another Panthers game.

Hopefully the odds even out over the season.  I don't think  it's possible for them to be any worse than yesterday for another 25 years.  

[Seltzer]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

every one could of played the exact same.....and if the ball bounced difference (ours vs them when they hit the ground)......reaction Monday would be totally different. 

I still got high hopes for this season.  TNF IMO will be big.  We got to win that game and Cam has to answer a question about his arm. 

The ball certainly didn't bounce our way yesterday.  To lose a fumble, have a tipped ball called a lateral/fumble on a questionable call, both of which the Rams recovered, and then watch them fumble the ball 3 times and recover (along with a BS call on a 4th fumble that we did recover)... statistically it's unbelievable how bad our luck was on that.  I've watched the Panthers religiously since 2002 and I can't remember a game where we were so unlucky with fumbles and/or calls.  It really is what a data person would call a "statistical anomaly."

Regardless, I hope we never have to experience it again.

I hope they ban anyone with the last name Hochuli from ever reffing another Panthers game.

Hopefully the odds even out over the season.  I don't think  it's possible for them to be any worse than yesterday for another 25 years.  

[Ivan The Awesome]

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

Or let me sat it a different way p, he might not have lost it by himself but he did nothing to win it either 

Either he's the savior or he's the downfall. Newsflash you can't have it both ways. You can't say he didn't do anything to win it himself when he's had plenty of games he's won the game despite of others 'losing' or trying to lose the game. If you're going to say that then you have to count the games he "did" something to win it. I'm critical of Cam, will always be but the thing that I recognize and have for years now is that without him, this team goes no where. He gives us the best chance to win if he's 100 percent. 

 

I'm not worried about the bucs, They have a short week as well and to be honest they are worse off than us. They got beat harder than us when we were right in it. The problem with this team is shooting itself in the foot and to be honest it's all the coaching. We were out coached more than anything. all the mental mishaps and mistakes can be and should be traced back to coaching. 

[Seltzer]

1 hour ago, SBiii said:

72.1 was the RTG.....QBR was 17.1.    Goff was 69.0 RTG and 20.0 QBR.

A lot of folks take issue with QBR so I used RTG when I stack ranked the 1st game performances (looked better for Cam too as he was 21-of-28, with QBR he was 27-of-28). 

Regardless, anything below 80.0 sucks. 

Says who, ESPN?  I have seen multiple times where their precious "QBR," which again they won't explain how it's calculated, gave high marks to QB's who obviously didn't play well and vice-versa.  

The metrics for standard QB ratings aren't exact, but at least their formula is transparent, so in my book it has WAY more validity than anything ESPN spews out.

I honestly didn't know what RTG stood for until I looked it up, and again, it's ESPN propaganda.  

I hate ESPN, but I also don't like any statistic that someone tries to present as objective fact when they won't share with you the underlying methodology of their data.

That type of nonsense is the basis for the statement: "There are 3 levels of dishonesty in increasing order... lies, damn lies, and statistics."

Cam played like a mediocre QB yesterday, as did Goff.  That's what my eyeballs tell me after watching years of football.

Cam made some plays, didn't suck, but he also couldn't be the difference maker when we needed him to be.

Again, this is not a personal knock.  This to me is just a microcosm of society.  We are presented information as fact when it is really statistics that people will not explain b/c it supports whatever narrative they want. 

Honestly, we have no idea if the methodology is even applied the same way to every QB... that still doesn't stop them from presenting it as absolute truth to the masses.  The people touting it are on the payroll, so it must be true, right?

ESPN is truly "fake news" in the sports world.  And that has absolutely nothing to do with any political persuasion in either direction.

[Udogg]

13 hours ago, Swedish Butt-Whistle said:

I think Cams football iq, despite his efforts with his notebooks etc, is too glaring when he isn't using his physicality in the run game. I don't think he'll ever develop true poise in the pocket. 

What pocket? 

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Yeah, because based off the tone in this forum he had a bake mayfield ese game 

I am not hating him or calling him washed up.  I hoped we would run a lot and the quick passes were to offset Donald and the rush--but he was rusty. In fact, I don't think he had the consistency we needed for him to take us on 75-yard TD drive, but that is my opinion.  

  Everyone here should say that.  He did not play well.  He was rusty and should have been-coming off an injury and being protected in the preseason--it is the price you pay for sitting your starters.  He will improve.  Is he washed up?  Nope.  Did he play his way into Canton?  No.  Compared to his other performances, he has had worse--and he has had better.

The ball looked good coming out of his hands, but Cam did not put us on his back like the great ones do. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

15 hours ago, Verge said:

The dude played better than the QB opposite of him against a team that was just in the Super Bowl, in his first game back from surgery, and was a missed tackle or missed field goal away from none of these threads existing. Dude threw for 65% accuracy, which does not calculate tips or drops, and he moved the chains on multiple occasions. I am not some staunch defender of Cam either, he deserves criticism when he messed up, and he had a couple of moments in this game, but to claim he is done or he sucks is such a brash overreaction. This whole narrative that he can't throw a deep ball, when his arm was clearly just fine is annoying, we did not dial up deep balls because the last thing we want is for Cam to get buried on a seven step drop against one of the best defensive lines in football. We went toe to toe with a top 3 team in the NFL, and clearly showed we are ready for anyone, you guys need to step away from the message board and take a xanax or something, and make sure not to come in here after Thursday nights game glowing Cam up if you made one of these stupid 'doom and gloom' Cam threads.

I think many of us are getting fed up with Cam's erratic nature, both as an NFL QB and as a person. He's immature and moody, he was clearly frustrated during the 1st half yesterday and that affected his play. Not to mention that he missed 4 or 5 throws to open receivers and some of those throws were possibly game altering. 

[MHS831]

At some point in his career, RR will realize that Cam runs the offense better in the hurry up--get him to the LOS and let him audible.  This business of snapping the ball at 0 on the play clock is getting old.

I also did not hear Cam changing the cadence much.  At one point, he got good at voice inflections, etc. to get the DL to jump.  Even if they do not jump, they hesitate a 10th of a second or so before coming out of their stance.  Where is that?

[SBiii]

1 hour ago, Seltzer said:

Says who, ESPN?  I have seen multiple times where their precious "QBR," which again they won't explain how it's calculated, gave high marks to QB's who obviously didn't play well and vice-versa.  

ESPN is truly "fake news" in the sports world.  And that has absolutely nothing to do with any political persuasion in either direction.

I specifically did not use QBR because people have issues with it.  Most of the press seem to be OK with the RTG stat.

As for the 80.0 threshold....

....so far in week 1 28 QB's have played the predominance of the plays for their team. 

Of the 28, there were 19 above 80.0 and only 8 below 75.0. 

It's a simple fact that Cam was last in the 3rd quartile vs. his peers in week 1 (slightly lower if Foles is included).  Big Ben was even lower @ 65.6 (just below Fitzmagic & above Baker)....

....guarantee you Ben would tell you below 80.0 sucks.

(the median is about 100.0)

[Paa Langfart]

Some of you jerks ought to keep to your tinder box everyone is a racist if they criticize our black an qb Schick in the tb.  Not all opinions are related to skin tone .

[Cpt slay a ho]

52 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I am not hating him or calling him washed up.  I hoped we would run a lot and the quick passes were to offset Donald and the rush--but he was rusty. In fact, I don't think he had the consistency we needed for him to take us on 75-yard TD drive, but that is my opinion.  

  Everyone here should say that.  He did not play well.  He was rusty and should have been-coming off an injury and being protected in the preseason--it is the price you pay for sitting your starters.  He will improve.  Is he washed up?  Nope.  Did he play his way into Canton?  No.  Compared to his other performances, he has had worse--and he has had better.

The ball looked good coming out of his hands, but Cam did not put us on his back like the great ones do. 

I would agree, but I temper my expectations, past cam would have had a 1td 3int game because he would have started forcing the issue, plus whenever you play a good defense, unless you have Tom Brady or Mahomes you shouldn’t expect your qb to light them up. Bottom line is cam didn’t play his best, mediocre  at best, which I’m fine with acknowledging but people acting as if the season is over and cam is washed are delusional. Also that drive after the Bradberry int was horribly called.

[Waldo]

At this point, I would be more surprised if these threads didn't continue to pop. Somebody hates Cam's outfit, playing style, persona, child's name, when he runs or when he doesn't run, just for click-bait from the sewer of entertainment news and it just never stops but I just have to hear all about it. This has been going on before we even drafted him. He isn't perfect but he is better than we have ever had. We damn sure aren't finding anything better this season. Hopefully things improve over the next few weeks, for him and the rest of the areas we have to get better at as a team to be competitive this year. 

[ickmule]

5 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

And missed an open Samuel  on a 20 yard throw for a TD that could have changed the game and threw behind Moore to help cause that  fumble   He missed several other throws that weren’t close 

his body language on the field was horrific during the first half  I was there  I saw it

his not handling,  with his coach,  the need for that timeout is inexcusable 

some players lead their teams and make them better 

long ago, Newton did too. Not anymore 

Ir is really time, the excuses stop.  He is paid $100 million to perform, start performing 

people wont like what I have said. Maybe he will light up against the hapless Bucs and maybe he won’t  but I don’t see the warrior he used to be  I always felt with Cam, we always had a chance....I don’t feel that anymore 

he helped to lose a very winnable  home opening game, a conference game that could have been won.

Or let me sat it a different way p, he might not have lost it by himself but he did nothing to win it either 

I said it yesterday, Cams not the same mentally.....it could be his shoulder issues, it could 1000 other things too, but something just ain’t right.  I honestly think his heart is no longer in the game and he is just riding out his contract.