What's up with all these hating on Cam threads?

[Cpt slay a ho]

I mean simply put, the guy outplayed Goff who gets paid more, has a better oc and offensive talent around him 

[MHS831]

12 hours ago, Verge said:

The dude played better than the QB opposite of him

I  am not a hater--said he had rust, but he is not above criticism-- some get butthurt every time someone utters a truth that is not flattering.

Goff's QB rating was 20.0 yesterday--you are correct to suggest that he did not play well.

Cam's QB rating was 17.1.  Now you can accept the fact that they use variables that measure QB productivity and 17.1 is not good, or you can go on rants about opinions---fine, but do not present them as facts.

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I mean simply put, the guy outplayed Goff who gets paid more, has a better oc and offensive talent around him 

Cam's QB rating was 17.1.  Are you really defending that?

[Cpt slay a ho]

Just now, MHS831 said:

Cam's QB rating was 17.1.  Are you really defending that?

Yeah, because based off the tone in this forum he had a bake mayfield ese game 

[SmokinwithWilly]

When Cam is 100%, he is a well above average QB. I won't say elite because with elite comes consistency, and that is something Cam generally has not shown. 

Take away his ability to run from his game and he's average to slightly above. 

Take away his ability to throw the deep ball and stretch the defense and he's average. 

We haven't seen him make the deep throws with accuracy YET, and he has yet to show us his running ability this year. Based on what we've seen so far, I'd say he's a slightly below average to average QB. I'm not saying he can't or won't improve (I fully expect him too), but if he doesn't, I believe we're going to be looking at an average to below average QB performance this season. 

I'm not hating on Cam, I think there are a lot worse QBs we could be fielding. That's just my honest opinion of the situation we are in at the moment. 

[SZ James (banned)]

36 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Cam's QB rating was 17.1.  Are you really defending that?

it was 72

[SmokinwithWilly]

5 minutes ago, SZ James (banned) said:

it was 72

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Raw QBR 17.1 according to ESPN

Total QBR 15.3

[Seltzer]

11 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Raw QBR 17.1 according to ESPN

Total QBR 15.3

Nobody but ESPN gives a flying fug about QBR... it is a marketing thing for them.  What in the hell is raw QBR vs. total QBR???  The fact that it's based upon a "proprietary" system means it's BS.

In what other universe are good statistics not evaluated for the underlying data used to compile them??  It's utterly pointless, and I loath every time someone mentions "QBR."  

Anyway, that's not a knock on you, but I have no use for anything ESPN-related at this point, and QBR is as bad as anything else that network has fabricated in recent years.

Cam wasn't great, but I was at the game.  He played just as well as Goff.  They were both rusty.  Both missed big pass plays.

[raleigh-panther]

11 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Cam had that horrible INT. That's it. There's plenty of blame to go around but Cam doesn't deserve all the blame people put on him. 

And missed an open Samuel  on a 20 yard throw for a TD that could have changed the game and threw behind Moore to help cause that  fumble   He missed several other throws that weren’t close 

his body language on the field was horrific during the first half  I was there  I saw it

his not handling,  with his coach,  the need for that timeout is inexcusable 

some players lead their teams and make them better 

long ago, Newton did too. Not anymore 

Ir is really time, the excuses stop.  He is paid $100 million to perform, start performing 

people wont like what I have said. Maybe he will light up against the hapless Bucs and maybe he won’t  but I don’t see the warrior he used to be  I always felt with Cam, we always had a chance....I don’t feel that anymore 

he helped to lose a very winnable  home opening game, a conference game that could have been won.

Or let me sat it a different way p, he might not have lost it by himself but he did nothing to win it either 

[SmokinwithWilly]

8 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Nobody but ESPN gives a flying fug about QBR... it is a marketing thing for them.  What in the hell is raw QBR vs. total QBR???  The fact that it's based upon a "proprietary" system means it's BS.

In what other universe are good statistics not evaluated for the underlying data used to compile them??  It's utterly pointless, and I loath every time someone mentions "QBR."  

Anyway, that's not a knock on you, but I have no use for anything ESPN-related at this point, and QBR is as bad as anything else that network has fabricated in recent years.

Cam wasn't great, but I was at the game.  He played just as well as Goff.  They were both rusty.  Both missed big pass plays.

Agree ESPN is garbage, was just showing they gave him a 17.1 not a 72. 

[Seltzer]

17 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

he helped to lose a very winnable  home opening game, a conference game that could have been won.

Or let me sat it a different way, he might not have lost it by himself but he did nothing to win it either 

This is a fair and balanced way to say it.  Cam was just as responsible for the defeat as anyone.  And b/c he's the QB, he's going to get more blame than anyone when we lose.  That's part of the gig.

I'm not ready to give up on Cam.  I definitely feel like he was frustrated with the headset issue and the miscues by the offensive line and Moore in the first half.  I'm not the coach, but I don't think Moore was in the right spot on the lateral fumble (and/or the ball was tipped).  Regardless, I think it should have been incomplete but we certainly didn't get 2 crucial calls yesterday to go our way.

The bottom line is, to have a great season, you got to win these close games.  The good teams find a way.  We did in 2013, 2015 and 2017.  The NFL is ultra-competitive.  We need Cam to be that difference maker.  We was in 2015 and in years past.  He wasn't yesterday.

I love Cam.  He came into a moribund franchise in 2011 and instantly made the Panthers exciting and relevant.  He has taken us to a Super Bowl.  I want nothing less than for him to succeed.  And Rivera too for what it's worth.

But I'm also realistic enough to know that this year is the litmus test for both these guys for next year and beyond.

Thursday night is huge.  We need Cam to be a difference maker.  We need a win.  Being 0-2 five days into such a crucial season will be demoralizing to the fanbase, and disastrous to a team (especially coach & QB) that needs to show they going in the right direction.

[SBiii]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I mean simply put, the guy outplayed Goff who gets paid more, has a better oc and offensive talent around him 

Goff was awful.  He had a RTG of 69.0 (Cam was 72.1, also awful) which only bettered 5 other QB's of the 28 who played (29 if you count Foles) on Thursday and Sunday.

The amount of money Goff is paid is not relevant.

Gardner Minshew came in to replace Foles and went 22-for-25 with 2 TD's and 1 INT and put up a 122.5 RTG...

...Gardiner's entire season pay of $686k is only 50% of what Cam gets EVERY game!

[CRA]

everyone could of played the exact same.....and if the ball bounced different (ours vs them when they hit the ground)......reaction Monday would be totally different. 

I still got high hopes for this season.  TNF IMO will be big.  We got to win that game and Cam has to answer a question about his arm. 

[raleigh-panther]

1 minute ago, Seltzer said:

This is a fair and balanced way to say it.  Cam was just as responsible for the defeat as anyone.  And b/c he's the QB, he's going to get more blame than anyone when we lose.  That's part of the gig.

I'm not ready to give up on Cam.  I definitely feel like he was frustrated with the headset issue and the miscues by the offensive line and Moore in the first half.  I'm not the coach, but I don't think Moore was in the right spot on the lateral fumble (and/or the ball was tipped).  Regardless, I think it should have been incomplete but we certainly didn't get 2 crucial calls yesterday to go our way.

The bottom line is, to have a great season, you got to win these close games.  The good teams find a way.  We did in 2015 and 2017.  The NFL is ultra-competitive.  We need Cam to be that difference maker.  We was in 2015 and in years past.  He wasn't yesterday.

I love Cam.  He came into a moribund franchise in 2011 and instantly made the Panthers exciting and relevant.  He has taken us to a Super Bowl.  I want nothing less than for him to succeed.  And Rivera too for what it's worth.

But I'm also realistic enough to know that this year is the litmus test for both these guys for next year and beyond.

Thursday night is huge.  We need Cam to be a difference maker.  We need a win.  Being 0-2 five days into such a crucial season will be demoralizing to the fanbase, and disastrous to a team (especially coach & QB) that needs to show they going in the right direction.

I agree 100%

i want him to succeed.  I took zero pleasure in saying what I said