The “Newton/Rivera” Panthers vs. reigning AFC/NFC champs

[ellis]

Not a bad track record for this regime. As you can see, the quarterback deserves a lot of credit for that. 

 

[t96]

Good stuff thanks for finding those

[ellis]

To be fair, they’ve also lost five regular season games against defending conference champs. Two of those came in 2011 and 2012. 

[panthers55]

  On 9/3/2019 at 2:23 PM, ellis said:

Not a bad track record for this regime. As you can see, the quarterback deserves a lot of credit for that. 

 

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When does the quarterback not get most of the credit good or bad? I love how folks act as if every head coach's success isn't highly tied to the success of their quarterback. Show me one successful coach who has consistently had great success with crappy quarterbacks.  Of course the team's success is highly influenced by play of the quarterback. Sure you could argue the Ravens won the Superbowl without a good quarterback a few decades ago. But would even Belicheck be great without Brady?

 

[ellis]

I was simply highlighting the fact that four the of wins came from game-winning drives in the 4th Q. 

Everyone deserves credit. Those were great wins.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

  On 9/3/2019 at 4:02 PM, panthers55 said:

When does the quarterback not get most of the credit good or bad? I love how folks act as if every head coach's success isn't highly tied to the success of their quarterback. Show me one successful coach who has consistently had great success with crappy quarterbacks.  Of course the team's success is highly influenced by play of the quarterback. Sure you could argue the Ravens won the Superbowl without a good quarterback a few decades ago. But would even Belicheck be great without Brady?

 

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Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Kerry Collins played in a super bowl. Rex Grossman played in a super bowl

I’m not really disagreeing with you, but it certainly happens

[panthers55]

  On 9/4/2019 at 8:56 AM, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Kerry Collins played in a super bowl. Rex Grossman played in a super bowl

I’m not really disagreeing with you, but it certainly happens

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And only Dilfer won a Super Bowl with arguably the best defense of all time. But that doesn't address my post. Again what coach has had consistent success with crappy quarterbacks. You pointed out three examples where a coach has ridden a great defense one year with a crappy quarterback although you could argue Collins didn't suck for the Giants. So again  what coach has had consistent success without a good to great.quarterback. the answer is still none. Of course quarterbacks for winning teams have to make scoring drives in the 4th quarter, that is why they get paid 20-30 million a year. If you can't make game winning drives in the 4th quarter when it counts you get replaced by someone who can.

[hepcat]

Might as well add 2016 to that list because the 2016 Panthers beat themselves more times than I can count

[Davidson Deac II]

  On 9/4/2019 at 12:29 PM, panthers55 said:

And only Dilfer won a Super Bowl with arguably the best defense of all time. But that doesn't address my post. Again what coach has had consistent success with crappy quarterbacks. You pointed out three examples where a coach has ridden a great defense one year with a crappy quarterback although you could argue Collins didn't suck for the Giants. So again  what coach has had consistent success without a good to great.quarterback. the answer is still none. Of course quarterbacks for winning teams have to make scoring drives in the 4th quarter, that is why they get paid 20-30 million a year. If you can't make game winning drives in the 4th quarter when it counts you get replaced by someone who can.

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In the last 20 years or so, none.  Historically, Joe Gibbs won three superbowls with average/slightly above average qb's, but the rules were different then.  

But I do agree with you, the Ron can't win without Cam narrative is ridiculous.  Bill B has a losing record without Tom Brady.  Bill Walsh never won a Superbowl without Montana.  Good players need good coaches and vice versa.