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Allen should not be QB2

Varking

By Varking,
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Seoul_Panther Newbie

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2 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

He is pushing a narrative. Anybody blaming Grier for a blindside hit and fumble is pushing a narrative.

 LoL.  Everyone's pushing a narrative. It's a discussion board.

  Realistically Grier would have to be diabolical to be cut  As a rookie he can afford to be cavalier because he wants to show that he can make the throw. Allen is different because he can't afford to make those errors-hes proven he can throw but can he look after the ball? His goal was to play smart football. So in that way it's a bad comparison.

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Icege Grand Master

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16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

One is a rookie while the other has been in the league for a year and actually started a game.

There's a difference in expectations.

The expectations are that with the rookie, you see something you wanna build on. In the case of Grier, the last thing you want to see is that rookie QB that is supposed to be the team's insurance policy come up with only 3 positively graded plays w/ 17 negatively graded plays (per PFF).

The kid is staying on the team regardless, but the idea that we would keep Heinicke over Allen or that Grier somehow performed equal to Allen is asinine.
 

20 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Context matters, dude...this sounds like you’re pushing a narrative. The interception last night was debatable since we don’t know if the receiver ran the correct route, but to put that strip-sack on Grier is dishonest. That’s like blaming Cam for his Super Bowl strip-sack...nothing you can do if the rusher has a free path to you untouched. 

How is refuting the narrative being promoted by the OP promoting a separate one? Grier has not looked good. Allen has not looked good. Heinicke didn't make the cut. When trying to show the stats and play it off as if Grier performed equal if not better than Allen based strictly on points and completion %s, that is dishonest at best and willfully ignorant at worst. Where was this same energy for the OP btw when he mentioned the blocked FG being held against Allen? That looks more like pushing a narrative imo, which it was, yet... crickets?

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2 minutes ago, Icege said:

The expectations are that with the rookie, you see something you wanna build on. In the case of Grier, the last thing you want to see is that rookie QB that is supposed to be the team's insurance policy come up with only 3 positively graded plays w/ 17 negatively graded plays (per PFF).

The kid is staying on the team regardless, but the idea that we would keep Heinicke over Allen or that Grier somehow performed equal to Allen is asinine.
 

How is refuting the narrative being promoted by the OP promoting a separate one? Grier has not looked good. Allen has not looked good. Heinicke didn't make the cut. When trying to show the stats and play it off as if Grier performed equal if not better than Allen based strictly on points and completion %s, that is dishonest at best and willfully ignorant at worst. Where was this same energy for the OP btw when he mentioned the blocked FG being held against Allen? That looks more like pushing a narrative imo, which it was, yet... crickets?

Read the bottom of my OP. You keep harping on Grier. This was about Taylor should have been the 2, in my eyes, going into the season, over Allen. I just posted all three stats to be fair. I WAS NOT PUSHING FOR GRIER TO BE THE TWO. 

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1 minute ago, Icege said:

The expectations are that with the rookie, you see something you wanna build on. In the case of Grier, the last thing you want to see is that rookie QB that is supposed to be the team's insurance policy come up with only 3 positively graded plays w/ 17 negatively graded plays (per PFF).

The kid is staying on the team regardless, but the idea that we would keep Heinicke over Allen or that Grier somehow performed equal to Allen is asinine.
 

How is refuting the narrative being promoted by the OP promoting a separate one? Grier has not looked good. Allen has not looked good. Heinicke didn't make the cut. When trying to show the stats and play it off as if Grier performed equal if not better than Allen based strictly on points and completion %s, that is dishonest at best and willfully ignorant at worst. Where was this same energy for the OP btw when he mentioned the blocked FG being held against Allen? That looks more like pushing a narrative imo, which it was, yet... crickets?

Mason Rudolph looked pretty bad last season, and he's one of many rookie examples that looked significantly improved the following year.

Remember our old buddy Ryan Kalil's rookie stories?

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11 minutes ago, Icege said:

The expectations are that with the rookie, you see something you wanna build on. In the case of Grier, the last thing you want to see is that rookie QB that is supposed to be the team's insurance policy come up with only 3 positively graded plays w/ 17 negatively graded plays (per PFF).

The kid is staying on the team regardless, but the idea that we would keep Heinicke over Allen or that Grier somehow performed equal to Allen is asinine.
 

How is refuting the narrative being promoted by the OP promoting a separate one? Grier has not looked good. Allen has not looked good. Heinicke didn't make the cut. When trying to show the stats and play it off as if Grier performed equal if not better than Allen based strictly on points and completion %s, that is dishonest at best and willfully ignorant at worst. Where was this same energy for the OP btw when he mentioned the blocked FG being held against Allen? That looks more like pushing a narrative imo, which it was, yet... crickets?

Would it have been better if he didn’t mention the blocked FG? If he just said matter-of-factly: “Allen produced 0 points against the Steelers”? By mentioning the blocked FG as a qualifier, that looked to me as if he’s at least attempting to present the circumstances fairly. It’s at least not as egregious as saying “hey look at Grier who allowed a strip-sack return for a touchdown”.

Regardless, I’m not interested in Whataboutisms. If I attacked every agenda-driven intellectually dishonest post  on these boards then I’d have to quit my job and dedicate myself to it full-time. Saying “well look at this guy!” is not a defense, unless I explicitly used his questionably framed post against you. I wish more people were able to defend their posts on their own merits rather than pointing at others or resorting to ad hominems or claims of homerism.

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They did need to get a legit backup if they want any escape if Cam did go down.

what are they going to say now... Cam goes down but but but but Allen or Heinz Ketchup? 

They had enough FA backup options out there better than those to bring in on one year deals while Grier gets up to speed.

i love most of what Hurney has done since being back(although I’m having a really hard time buying into Little and Grier so far...) but in the end Quarterback,.. at least an efficient game manager is required.

we don’t have that(Heinz Ketchup will have to prove me wrong)

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This team has a little history of keeping close to being bad players thinking that he will become a star player but it doesn't happen and remains on the team for a few years. I'm not saying Allen cannot do it but the Panthers will make a decision on the QB back-up player they want to put their faith in and lock on one of these guys down.

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the second string quarterback among this group is largely ornamental. if cam were to get seriously injured and not be able to play, we'd be shopping outside the organization for a veteran quarterback to start those games. there's no way they'd trust allen or grier to start nfl games right now. those two are the same age and we're just trying to find out which of them has long term nfl upside. 

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