Suppose Cam is done for 2019

[TheRed]

Apparently NFL defenses have "figured" Newton out after a preseason game against the Patriots in Foxborough where they were rushing 7 against 5 and the Panthers were running a vanilla base offense with zero gameplanning

Some of you need to get out of the house.

[Toomers]

  Take this FWIW......from 1st half of last year

 

[pantherclaw]

46 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

D coordinators have figured out if you blitz Cam he is undisciplined and bails out. That is easy to defend. Look at Grier's play to Bonnafon to see how to beat the blitz even when they come in unblocked. If a rookie can figure it out you would think a 9 year veteran could do the same 

We get chastised for suggesting that Cam can be better, because "he has carried our offense since he has been here.We need other players to step up, instead of Cam to improve his basic fundamentals!!" Lmao

[!stUp]

[CatTower]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  Take this FWIW......from 1st half of last year

 

And, over the course of the year, he ranked near the bottom.  https://fantasydata.com/advanced-metrics-the-best-and-worst-qbs-under-pressure

 

He is average at best against the pressure and with his injury history, teams are going to be coming at him all year.   He will either stay healthy and get huge yards throwing to our speedy receivers or get another injury and end the season again.

[uncfan888]

2 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

He plays through injuries that would put most QBs out for weeks

I see you pooed my post. How many games do you think this team wins without cam? Be honest 

[Toomers]

Just now, CatTower said:

And, over the course of the year, he ranked near the bottom.  https://fantasydata.com/advanced-metrics-the-best-and-worst-qbs-under-pressure

 

He is average at best against the pressure and with his injury history, teams are going to be coming at him all year.   He will either stay healthy and get huge yards throwing to our speedy receivers or get another injury and end the season again.

   I thought it was fair to judge when he was somewhat healthy. But I fully expect everyone to make of it what they want to. 

  Your stats are pressure in general. Mine was specific to blitz(the subject). But, do what you gotta do. 

[JARROD]

Just answering the Hand Grenade thrown...

if Cam was done... you suck and fight it out for the number 1 pick with Indy,..

Thats easy,... just let Will be our new Pickles and let him start the rest of the season...

but he’s not,.. Cams probably the most physically gifted to ever play quarterback successfully in the NFL,.. a twisted ankle in the preseason isn’t stopping him...

[Navy_football]

10 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

And Grier didn't have starters on offense at that point so it equals out. What they figured out is that Cam turns his back to his receivers and bails out opposite of the blitz so you rush him up the middle or from the right. Then rotate your secondary to the left not the right because that is where he will be running instead of throwing into the blitz or calling a hot read on the right. 

I agree there should be more hot reads/routes. But I'm not sure if receivers are recognizing hot. They're just running their called 2+ seconds routes and by then the QB is in escape mode. 

You can't judge the QB without seeing what his targets are doing. Olsen does a good job recognizing pressure and breaking off his route, but he is a TE and has to stay in block on alot if those blitzes - probably by defensive design. 

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

We get chastised for suggesting that Cam can be better, because "he has carried our offense since he has been here.We need other players to step up, instead of Cam to improve his basic fundamentals!!" Lmao

The funny thing is that they make excuses for him that he would disagree with.  He always wants to get better and takes responsibility when he screws up. It is his excuse patrol that always blames everyone and everything else not Cam. 

[Navy_football]

12 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

We get chastised for suggesting that Cam can be better, because "he has carried our offense since he has been here.We need other players to step up, instead of Cam to improve his basic fundamentals!!" Lmao

That's not true. Most posters call Cam out when he is not playing well. 

If Brady was getting the pressure Cam was getting, it would have to be the oline fault when he didn't complete passes, right? It would have to be his receivers not being where they're supposed to be, right? 

Many times Cam can make a different decision or a quicker read, but he shouldn't have to be perfect. 

[mc52beast]

I see everyone who resides on Fantasy Island says Cam will be fine, and he probably will be going into week one. 

If our line doesn’t get it together what do you think Aaron Donald is going to do to him? He’ll freakin eat him alive. How many hits does he take before his body just quits on him? He’s not a rookie anymore.

Hurney should’ve signed a vet a long time ago instead of trusting the backup role to a guy who beat an Aints team that wasn’t trying and a rookie. This could cost him his job.

[panthers55]

9 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I agree there should be more hot reads/routes. But I'm not sure if receivers are recognizing hot. They're just running their called 2+ seconds routes and by then the QB is in escape mode. 

You can't judge the QB without seeing what his targets are doing. Olsen does a good job recognizing pressure and breaking off his route, but he is a TE and has to stay in block on alot if those blitzes - probably by defensive design. 

True that it takes both QBs and receivers to make it work. Given we are playing Blitzburg this week we should be working on these for sure whether Cam plays or not. 

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

That's not true. Most posters call Cam out when he is not playing well. 

If Brady was getting the pressure Cam was getting, it would have to be the oline fault when he didn't complete passes, right? It would have to be his receivers not being where they're supposed to be, right? 

Many times Cam can make a different decision or a quicker read, but he shouldn't have to be perfect. 

There are three kind of Cam posters here. Haters, Cam slob bobbers and those in the middle. There are very few of us in the middle though. Such is the nature of being a polarizing figure.