PFF - Cam sucks, Panthers more likely to finish last in NFCS

[thefuzz]

Cam is always going to be a tough player to judge.

 

My recommendation?  Don't care about any of it.

[ellis]

His analysis of the Buccaneers is complete horseshit. Winston + Arians is not going to “turbo-charge” their offense. Nobody likes to hold the ball longer in the pocket then Bruce Arians. The pass rush in this division is exceptional. I don’t know half the formulas these guys use, or pretend to use, but that’s a formula I would look at.

Suspect quarterback historically + now being asked to run a longer/more extended route tree + with questionable line play + in a division with exceptional pass rushers. 

I think Tampa is the worst team in the division, I don’t think it’s close.

[ellis]

There’s nothing fluke about an NFL win. Great comebacks are great comebacks. Great game-winning kicks are great game-winning kicks. The defense annihilated Dallas week one. The offense put up 31 in the first half against Tampa in week eight. Both units were dynamic against Cincinnati. Cam put up nearly 40 against the best defense in the league (Baltimore) with a sore shoulder.

If you don’t believe the Panthers are legit contender, you can provide analysis for that. You can’t just say those were “fluke wins” and receive credit for being the authority in football analytics. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

Wait all you like.  I know what Ive seen, I know the issues, I know the risks.  Without reservation Cam Newton is head and shoulders (pun intended) above those 2.  

Like I said, Cam is talent wise far beyond those 2. If he stays healthy and can keep his new throwing motion when under pressure, it's not even close. Cam is better by far. However, if his shoulder suffers a setback and he loses the ability to throw the deep ball, then I think it gets much closer. Giving the defense the ability to cheat into a short field because he can't throw the long ball, that hurts your offensive abilities and it has to be considered. I still think Cam is better than both with a bum shoulder, but it's closer than I like. 

[L-TownCat]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Like I said, Cam is talent wise far beyond those 2. If he stays healthy and can keep his new throwing motion when under pressure, it's not even close. Cam is better by far. However, if his shoulder suffers a setback and he loses the ability to throw the deep ball, then I think it gets much closer. Giving the defense the ability to cheat into a short field because he can't throw the long ball, that hurts your offensive abilities and it has to be considered. I still think Cam is better than both with a bum shoulder, but it's closer than I like. 

All that and you coulda just said, yep Cam is better.

[SmokinwithWilly]

I was trying to be objective and not sound like a total Panthers homer without at least acknowledging that there are other factors involved. 

[JawnyBlaze]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

Or it’s the same posters using PFF as a legit source for one thing, and then calling it garbage when PFF says something they don’t agree with. Never said you, or anyone specifically. If you took it personally...oh well. 

  Around here is the viewpoint of many of our “hall monitors” losing their minds if you give an honest opinion that doesn’t 100% agree with everything the team does. 

All good bud. I didn’t take it personally, just used myself as an example since I only speak for myself. It’s just a pet peeve when people make comments that paint the entire group in one color, like “the huddle used to think Ron is the greatest coach ever and now the huddle says he sucks” when really some people were saying he’s great and completely different people say he sucks.  If you are seeing the same people praise and condemn pff depending on the material, then your point is 100% valid heh

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

So we hate PFF when they say something we don't agree with but love them when they say something we do agree with them. Got ya. 

Check my post history I’ve always said pff is sh*t.  

I don’t think people even know the history of pff, it’s just a bunch of internet sports bloggers who came up with their own grading system. Guys like Cian Fahey are just as credible 

[Seltzer]

9 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Check my post history I’ve always said pff is sh*t.  

I don’t think people even know the history of pff, it’s just a bunch of internet sports bloggers who came up with their own grading system. Guys like Cian Fahey are just as credible 

What I've noticed, too, is that while they have their own grading system (that of course they won't share with anyone else), they will:

1) Discount the objective (eyeball test) performance of someone who does well in reality but doesn't correlate to their grading system (Cam in 2015 is the best example by far.  PFF tried to claim he was barely a top 10 QB when all objective evidence pointed to him being the MVP).

2) The reverse of this is also true.  PFF will advance their narratives even when reality doesn't bear it out.  They consistently promote Kirk Cousins even though Redskins and Vikings fans will both tell you he wilts under the pressure of big games.  

It's telling that a poll of players who actually play the game rated Cam Newton the most underrated and Kirk Cousins are the most overrated.  ..

What PFF won't ever do (at least at this point when they try to sell their grading system as the gospel truth) is admit that their grading system may be flawed, and in some instances, may be irrevocably broken and not applicable.

What I find the most interesting about this from a human nature standpoint is how it correlates to most political/religious systems that have ever been constructed as well.  In the beginning, most systems undergo a period where some criticism and modification is allowed in order to develop what is believed to be a perfected (and "legitimate") system.  Also, until the system is legitimized, the people running the system can't be seen as too dogmatic or the public will reject them outright.

After that period, though, the dogma is set, and the people running the system assume (and proclaim) the system is correct, and that people must be judged on that system, rather than ever considering the system itself may need changing and/or abandoning.

PFF has definitely entered the phase where they have been legitimized enough to present themselves as the "truth."  The self-righteousness they now exude (led by their pompous leader Chris Collinsworth) truly has reached an awful point.

[raz]

12 hours ago, bull123 said:

Who cares...focus on the rams, then Tampa in first week

oh man i wanna see winston with that wtf crybaby look after burns strip sacks him, with burns in the background spidey posing.  

[CPF4LIFE]

19 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

So we hate PFF when they say something we don't agree with but love them when they say something we do agree with them. Got ya. 

Not me, i take all their bullshit grades with a grain of salt.