One concerning note after hearing the Bills slant from joint practice

[panthers55]

39 minutes ago, jtm said:

My buddy that gets paid to evaluate NFL talent says our OL looks suspect and especially the LT.  I was surprised to hear this because I was hoping Williams was going to be a nice fit.  Hopefully Williams is just rusty and needs some time to get into game shape.  We'll see tonight b/c the Bills DL is very good.

When has he seen Williams play? Was he at camp? 

[CatMan72]

Wasn't a problem last season so not concerned.

[Silent Majority]

I've seen several posts about Cam making reference to stumbling over plays sometimes and Olsen helping him out. I seem to recall Chud talking about how he made Cam learn his entire complicated playbook as a ROOKIE, while denying him the use of the wristband cheat sheet. That NEVER gets brought up. Wonder why???

[panthers55]

12 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I believe it, amazing how people on here have forgotten this has been going on for years. Its all apart Riveras ball control scheme, poo isnt going anywhere as long as he is the coach here. Remember, no matter what coaches have been brought in here the philosophy has never really changed just tweaked if anything, its because Rivera is all about "familiarity"  only bringing in his guys that know what he wants to do. The man will never change. Still Taking forever to get plays in is just inexcusable, you honestly cant blame this on practice.

Clock management is not a ball control scheme, it is about efficiently relating the play from the OC down to the quarterback coach and then to  the quarterback. Who then repeats it to the players and on and on. Before the clock hits 0. 

No one would get in the play slowly to use up the clock. They would get up to the line and  wait until the clock winds down. Ball control is a philosophy while delay of game penalties are poor execution somewhere down the line. They aren't connected at all. SMH

[panthers55]

50 minutes ago, Silent Majority said:

I've seen several posts about Cam making reference to stumbling over plays sometimes and Olsen helping him out. I seem to recall Chud talking about how he made Cam learn his entire complicated playbook as a ROOKIE, while denying him the use of the wristband cheat sheet. That NEVER gets brought up. Wonder why???

Because that was 2011-12 and no one here I suspect knows  much about how the play calling is similar or different from Chud to Shula and now Turner. Perhaps you have a playbook from each and can elucidate us.

I remember reading that Chud didn't want Cam calling plays since he struggled reading defenses so he only had one running option or passing option from a specific set..

[poorboysrev]

On 8/15/2019 at 2:32 PM, CanadianCat said:

coaches might be trying new plays, formations, motions, etc..

Im not worried about this in the preseason... 

Haha right!  I’m sure impressing the bills beat writer or being week one real season ready are not really major concerns. Slow is smooth smooth is fast

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Because Cam is less efficient in the hurry up and the hurry up doesn't control the clock. Look at the last 2 minutes of each half, when we would most likely be throwing the ball in a hurry up offense,  and compare his completion percentage with the whole half and you would see that his percentage goes down in the 2 minute drill.

He is best using play action and the running game to loosen up the defense for the passing game. With his improved mechanics he may turn that around. He seemed to have more touch on his passes in camp. To the clock issue what is the common denominator between Cam and Shula then Cam and Turner.  Yeah, Cam.

Cam has to have the play with at least 15 seconds left as the mike cuts off then. So why not hustle them up so you can see the defense. Let's be real here he never seems in a hurry. It is his personality. Not a flaw. If it results in a timeout or delay, that is what it is. He makes up for it in many other ways.

You keep bringing up this false argument for the past two seasons and it’s flat out wrong. 2 minute warnings doesn’t mean no huddle, Rivera is actually the king of kneeling the ball with two minutes.

 

I can actually point you to games last season when we used the no huddle (eagles, falcons, lions, redskins) when we went to a fast pace no huddle Cam and the offense numbers exploded

[Silent Majority]

47 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Because that was 2011-12 and no one here I suspect knows  much about how the play calling is similar or different from Chud to Shula and now Turner. Perhaps you have a playbook from each and can elucidate us.

The larger point being his ability to grasp and deciminate info/plays. The fundamental understanding of football is FINITE. The terminology changes of course. Insinuating that the man can grasp one and not the other is ridiculous. If one can read a 5 letter word, they possess the ability to read a 10 letter word as well. The undergirding assertion is that Cam is somehow unable to grasp the playbooks of Shula and now the Turner's. That's frankly bullsh*t.

[panthers55]

25 minutes ago, Silent Majority said:

The larger point being his ability to grasp and deciminate info/plays. The fundamental understanding of football is FINITE. The terminology changes of course. Insinuating that the man can grasp one and not the other is ridiculous. If one can read a 5 letter word, they possess the ability to read a 10 letter word as well. The undergirding assertion is that Cam is somehow unable to grasp the playbooks of Shula and now the Turner's. That's frankly bullsh*t.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about unless you have first hand information. And you don't so keep the outrage for elsewhere. Cam stated he has trouble with play calling himself. What part is so hard to understand. He said he gets confused and Olsen helps him out. Why do you homers keep acting like he didn't say it or that it is such a terrible thing. I am just pointing out what he has already freely admitted.

[panthers55]

28 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

You keep bringing up this false argument for the past two seasons and it’s flat out wrong. 2 minute warnings doesn’t mean no huddle, Rivera is actually the king of kneeling the ball with two minutes.

 

I can actually point you to games last season when we used the no huddle (eagles, falcons, lions, redskins) when we went to a fast pace no huddle Cam and the offense numbers exploded

So you think that using the 2 minute warning as a rough approximation is more false than anecdotal screenshots or specific plays you can cherry pick to.make a point. Okay someone out there can get advanced analytics and can find out Cam's percentages in the no huddle over the past several years. And if possible separate by year to see any trends.

[Silent Majority]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

You don't have a clue what you are talking about unless you have first hand information. And you don't so keep the outrage for elsewhere. Cam stated he has trouble with play calling himself. What part is so hard to understand. He said he gets confused and Olsen helps him out. Why do you homers keep acting like he didn't say it or that it is such a terrible thing. I am just pointing out what he has already freely admitted.

If I'm a homer you're a hater. I'm not insecure enough to believe I know everything and I'm intelligent enough to not go deeper into a debate with a person who demonstrates that. You got it champ.

[SOJA]

Something to keep an eye on, we've struggled mightily with this in the past 

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

So you think that using the 2 minute warning as a rough approximation is more false than anecdotal screenshots or specific plays you can cherry pick to.make a point. Okay someone out there can get advanced analytics and can find out Cam's percentages in the no huddle over the past several years. And if possible separate by year to see any trends.

Screenshots? Lol what

 

Do you even watch games? So your telling all those games our offense didn’t get better when we went no huddle?

 

I can post article after article of our offense being better in the no huddle 

[LinvilleGorge]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000977571/article/ron-rivera-nohuddle-offense-wont-drive-who-we-are

Cam and the Panthers' offense was MUCH more effective last year in the no huddle offense. Ron just doubled down on how that wouldn't impact how he ran his offense. Ron WANTS a slow, methodical offense. He's a defensive minded coach.