One concerning note after hearing the Bills slant from joint practice

[thefuzz]

15 hours ago, Trill OG said:

It got us a 15-1 record and a SB appearance in 2015. How quickly they forget.

 

Relax!

Again, as I have said for a long time around here....the 15 season was/is likely a curse.

 

[falconidae]

19 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They probably know Cam would prefer to play faster. If they gave him the play earlier we'd probably be playing faster. They can control the pace from the sideline by delaying the call coming in.

So, you're telling me that if they tell Cam, don't snap the ball until there's 3-5 seconds left, he's not going to do that? That he's going to run the play as quickly as he can get the team set?

And you apparently consider that a feature and not a bug?

[LinvilleGorge]

42 minutes ago, falconidae said:

So, you're telling me that if they tell Cam, don't snap the ball until there's 3-5 seconds left, he's not going to do that? That he's going to run the play as quickly as he can get the team set?

And you apparently consider that a feature and not a bug?

You seem hell-bent to pick a fight based on that post. LOL!

The best way for coaches to control the pace of play from the sidelines is to control when the play call goes in. This isn't a difficult concept. I'm not definitively saying that's what is happening, it's just a theory.

[falconidae]

14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You seem hell-bent to pick a fight based on that post. LOL!

The best way for coaches to control the pace of play from the sidelines is to control when the play call goes in. This isn't a difficult concept. I'm not definitively saying that's what is happening, it's just a theory.

No, just trying to have a conversation. You can kill clock while running any play by just letting the clock run down before you snap it. You're saying the panthers coaches don't trust Cam to do that?

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, falconidae said:

No, just trying to have a conversation. You can kill clock while running any play by just letting the clock run down before you snap it. You're saying the panthers coaches don't trust Cam to do that?

I don't know if it's trust or what, but we definitely seem to get the play call in slower than any other team out there and that didn't change going from Shula to Norv. That tells me that it's likely coming from Ron. The more time you spend at the LOS, the higher your chances of false starting. If you want to slow roll you're better off doing it in the huddle. Plus, have you ever spent any time in a three point stance? It's not exactly a rest position. We'd be gassing our our OL having them in a three point stance for 20 seconds every snap.

[panthers55]

18 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

We should be running a fast pace offense no huddle offense at least 50% of the game. But Ron hates fast pace offense

Because Cam is less efficient in the hurry up and the hurry up doesn't control the clock. Look at the last 2 minutes of each half, when we would most likely be throwing the ball in a hurry up offense,  and compare his completion percentage with the whole half and you would see that his percentage goes down in the 2 minute drill.

He is best using play action and the running game to loosen up the defense for the passing game. With his improved mechanics he may turn that around. He seemed to have more touch on his passes in camp. To the clock issue what is the common denominator between Cam and Shula then Cam and Turner.  Yeah, Cam.

Cam has to have the play with at least 15 seconds left as the mike cuts off then. So why not hustle them up so you can see the defense. Let's be real here he never seems in a hurry. It is his personality. Not a flaw. If it results in a timeout or delay, that is what it is. He makes up for it in many other ways.

[panthers55]

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't know if it's trust or what, but we definitely seem to get the play call in slower than any other team out there and that didn't change going from Shula to Norv. That tells me that it's likely coming from Ron. The more time you spend at the LOS, the higher your chances of false starting. If you want to slow roll you're better off doing it in the huddle. Plus, have you ever spent any time in a three point stance? It's not exactly a rest position. We'd be gassing our our OL having them in a three point stance for 20 seconds every snap.

Nah. Ron has nothing to do with the offense and isn't dictating to Norv. Ron  is running the defense and we have a game manager these days. Cam has the signal with at least 15 seconds and most likely 20.

It is on Cam. He said he struggles with play calling and he never rushes to the line. I speculate he needs the time in between to get everything right and for him to collect himself. His high energy running hustling style is hard to maintain every play no matter what your shape. You think it is Rivera but when has Rivera been without Cam. Maybe Ron has learned to let Cam be Cam and this happens from time to time. No big deal. 

[falconidae]

25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't know if it's trust or what, but we definitely seem to get the play call in slower than any other team out there and that didn't change going from Shula to Norv. That tells me that it's likely coming from Ron. The more time you spend at the LOS, the higher your chances of false starting. If you want to slow roll you're better off doing it in the huddle. Plus, have you ever spent any time in a three point stance? It's not exactly a rest position. We'd be gassing our our OL having them in a three point stance for 20 seconds every snap.

OLine is getting paid 6 figures, they can hold a 3 point stance for 15-20 seconds without false starting. And they can stand up for the first 10-15 seconds anyway. 

If you want to take time off the clock, no reason at all to wait until the helmet radio is about to go dead to send the play in. You just have your QB use up all the clock either in the huddle or at the line. I've seen Ryan do that for years, Cam  has played QB all his life no reason he can't do that too. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Nah. Ron has nothing to do with the offense and isn't dictating to Norv. Ron  is running the defense and we have a game manager these days. Cam has the signal with at least 15 seconds and most likely 20.

It is on Cam. He said he struggles with play calling and he never rushes to the line. I speculate he needs the time in between to get everything right and for him to collect himself. His high energy running hustling style is hard to maintain every play no matter what your shape. You think it is Rivera but when has Rivera been without Cam. Maybe Ron has learned to let Cam be Cam and this happens from time to time. No big deal. 

Then why has it been the same story when Cam has been out?

[jtm]

My buddy that gets paid to evaluate NFL talent says our OL looks suspect and especially the LT.  I was surprised to hear this because I was hoping Williams was going to be a nice fit.  Hopefully Williams is just rusty and needs some time to get into game shape.  We'll see tonight b/c the Bills DL is very good.

[falconidae]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Then why has it been the same story when Cam has been out?

I don't know, I'm a rival fan on  messageboard. Don't have time to watch all the falcons games, much less anyone else.

 If it happened with all of them, then that's a particularly bad coaching tactic.

[LinvilleGorge]

23 minutes ago, falconidae said:

I don't know, I'm a rival fan on  messageboard. Don't have time to watch all the falcons games, much less anyone else.

 If it happened with all of them, then that's a particularly bad coaching tactic.

Regardless of who our QB is, we're always breaking the huddle and getting to the LOS with mere seconds to go on the play clock.

[CPF4LIFE]

I believe it, amazing how people on here have forgotten this has been going on for years. Its all apart Riveras ball control scheme, poo isnt going anywhere as long as he is the coach here. Remember, no matter what coaches have been brought in here the philosophy has never really changed just tweaked if anything, its because Rivera is all about "familiarity"  only bringing in his guys that know what he wants to do. The man will never change. Still Taking forever to get plays in is just inexcusable, you honestly cant blame this on practice.

[panthers55]

35 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Then why has it been the same story when Cam has been out?

It really hasn't. I remember thinking that when Heinicke and Allen played in spots that they seemed to be at the line with plenty of time. It was an issue I watched given all the debate it has created just like now.