Tepper Wants a Retractable Dome Stadium

[Tbe]

3 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Raleigh is a soccer town...Tepper should put his soccer team there

Rock hill is certainly not uptown clt but what Tepper is building down there is gonna offer many entertainment options as he builds his training g camp

and rock hill has land...for parking...and that means more revenue 

Tepper needs a dual use facility. It makes the economics of building a mls team work. 

Some entertainment options. Not enough of those or hotel space to attract and support an ncaa championship or similar.

The old knights stadium had land for parking too. No one came. Moved it to uptown (with no parking) and everyone showed up. Potential parking revenue doesn’t mean anything if people don’t Come. Some panthers games look empty enough as it is. 

If you look around the sports world you see examples of teams moving outside of a prime market for land and tax breaks. More often than not it doesn’t work out. 

I’m in business consulting. There is one central driver of consumer behavior these days. Convenience. For the larger portion of the panthers fan base, rock hill is far less convenient. Tepper would be an idiot to move the stadium.

[PanthersBigD]

They’re not moving the stadium to SC, LOL. Charlotte JUST now has enough hotel space to compete with other teams for a Super Bowl. Where else in SC, besides Charleston can compete on hotel space and other entertainment options? The practice facility in Rock Hill will be great, but there’s fug all besides that to do in Rock Hill. It would take years and hundreds of millions in cash to build up another town like Charlotte is, and Raleigh isn’t an option because it’s too far from SC. 

[PanthersBigD]

2 hours ago, bull123 said:

Raleigh is a soccer town...Tepper should put his soccer team there

Rock hill is certainly not uptown clt but what Tepper is building down there is gonna offer many entertainment options as he builds his training g camp

and rock hill has land...for parking...and that means more revenue 

Raleigh is a college basketball town that is becoming a hockey town. I could see the soccer team going there, but I still think Tepper is going for dual use with the Panthers, and they aren’t moving.

The practice facility will be great, but it will be a small complex relative to an entire downtown metropolis. It’d be like touting Ballantyne as a good spot for a stadium, before even breaking ground on Ballantyne. 

Theres nothing wrong with Rock Hill, but it can’t compete with Charlotte for location, hotel space, etc., etc., etc..

[Waldo]

I love the open air games, even when the weather sucks. The roof on a stadium opens up revenue streams. I don't really like it for football but I concede you don't become a billion dollar sports team owner and avoid revenue and profit. The more I think about it and the way Tepper has behaved  since purchasing the team, I am interested to see how this unfolds. He has integrated himself very well so far into the area but not 'can I have a trillion dollars to build my business' well.  

I would think that even if we had a dome tomorrow, Charlotte still would need to grow before it was considerable for a SB. Is what he is building around the training facility going to count towards meeting that goal? He sounds to be pushing this hard, what is the angle the he will get to sooner than later?

[raleigh-panther]

Just rendered my PSLs  unsellable

oh well 

I knew that going In

here is Hoping they have a super bowl in them before then 

[Tbe]

2 hours ago, bull123 said:

Lot of merit in what you say...but the Knights are not an NFL team...if the stadium is in SC, people will still go there for games...and don’t dismiss parking revenue opportunities 

but in total agreement, Tepper would be foolish to move from uptown...I just have ZERO confidence in city council or NC state gov to come thru with tax $$ he wants, SC would do it in a heartbeat

Oh yeah, people would absolutely still attend games. I tend to think attendance would suffer because of the less convenient location and all of Charlotte being pissed at the team. But yeah, people would still go. 

The MLS team that would occupy that same space is more analogous to the knights. I think its obvious they would really suffer in rock hill. 

Would MLS even allow the team to be in SC? The uptown clt location has to be integral to the bid.

I’m optimistic that the city and county will throw in something. They do hold all the cards though, because they and Tepper know MLS can’t go down to a small sc town and thrive. 

Prediction: Tepper pays for most of it himself with the help of some creative funding sources and a token contribution from clt and Meck.

[peteywheatstraw]

Y'all do realize Rock Hill is just 15 minutes down the road from Charlotte right?  Lots of teams play in different cities outside of the bigger metro areas.  So to me that's a minor inconvenience.   Just like being in the hot August and September sun in BOA is a minor inconvenience.  Having said that uptown Charlotte is logically where the stadium should, and I believe will stay.

[CBDellinger]

1 hour ago, peteywheatstraw said:

Y'all do realize Rock Hill is just 15 minutes down the road from Charlotte right?  Lots of teams play in different cities outside of the bigger metro areas.  So to me that's a minor inconvenience.   Just like being in the hot August and September sun in BOA is a minor inconvenience.  Having said that uptown Charlotte is logically where the stadium should, and I believe will stay.

15 minutes?  Yeah right.  Maybe if you travel by helicopter.  

It’s a 30 min drive from uptown when there’s no traffic... and there’s almost always traffic. 

[peteywheatstraw]

Disagree, but its relative to where you are in Charlotte.  I've made the trip thousands of times 15 to 20 for me to uptown with normal traffic.

[peteywheatstraw]

9 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

15 minutes?  Yeah right.  Maybe if you travel by helicopter.  

It’s a 30 min drive from uptown when there’s no traffic... and there’s almost always traffic. 

Sorry, forgot to quote you.  I do agree it could be annoying to some depending on location in the Charlotte area.  South Charlotte/Carowinds area is a straight shot down 77 and really 15 minutes or less for me.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 hours ago, Tbe said:

 

 

 

1. The city has rights to foreclose on the current stadium if the team ever leaves the city. That would make MLS plans a lot harder. (if he still wanted to play mls in clt. I can’t imagine people wanting to make that drive to rock hill or fort mill to watch soccer. Knights anyone?)

 

 

 

 

I think that's a big part of the reason that the Colorado Rapids have such awful attendance. Their stadium location sucks.

[SBiii]

6 hours ago, Tbe said:

Tepper needs a dual use facility. It makes the economics of building a mls team work. 

Some entertainment options. Not enough of those or hotel space to attract and support an ncaa championship or similar.

The old knights stadium had land for parking too. No one came. Moved it to uptown (with no parking) and everyone showed up. Potential parking revenue doesn’t mean anything if people don’t Come. Some panthers games look empty enough as it is. 

If you look around the sports world you see examples of teams moving outside of a prime market for land and tax breaks. More often than not it doesn’t work out. 

I’m in business consulting. There is one central driver of consumer behavior these days. Convenience. For the larger portion of the panthers fan base, rock hill is far less convenient. Tepper would be an idiot to move the stadium.

Agree that Tepper wud be a fool to move the team to RH.

As for a "dual use facility" the MLS has unequivocally stated they do not want the soccer team to share the facility with an NFL team.

Why do ppl keep suggesting a new shared stadium is a hook for a new MLS, clearly it is not.

[CBDellinger]

23 minutes ago, peteywheatstraw said:

Disagree, but its relative to where you are in Charlotte.  I've made the trip thousands of times 15 to 20 for me to uptown with normal traffic.

You aren’t driving the 25 miles from uptown to Rock hill in 15 min unless you’re doing 100 mph.  

[Tbe]

21 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think that's a big part of the reason that the Colorado Rapids have such awful attendance. Their stadium location sucks.

The Tampa rays have the same problem. Moved just outside of Tampa for cheaper land and more parking. People stopped coming. The common reason given is it is too inconvenient to get to.