DeAngelo Williams Hating on Cam Newton

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23 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I would love to see how Tom Brady would have done with the crap receivers and mostly crap O-line (definitely left side) Cam has had to play with for the 8 year sample and see how the stats, W-L record, etc. would compare.

Sure, Cam's footwork is awful, but he still has the arm strength (at least for now) to compensate for it, but still does lead to the occasional overthrow. How many times over the past few years has he thrown to the elite WRs (cough...cough....) like Clay, Bersin, Byrd, KB, Funch, Philly Brown, Cotchery, and whatever other average or worse WRs and had it hit their hands and drop it, or even worse, deflect it up in the air for the other team to pick off. It's pretty sad when Ted Ginn was one of our best wide receivers from 2014-2017. We haven't even factored in all the dumb playcalling of Shula he had to endure... You know, the run, run, 3rd and long send everyone on a fly route, punt playcalling that we adored...

Brady has played with some pretty mediocre receivers and put up great numbers. There are a lot QBs who have way better years than Cam with out a running game and without a good Oline. And your statement about his footwork is telling. Every QB coach in the league will tell you without good, consistent footwork you will never be consistently accurate. Again 1 out of 8 years of good QB play just is not good by any measure. For what ever reason. 

[The Huddler]

when you think about it.. 

 

8 seasons. 

4 playoff berth

1 MVP season, one SB berth

 

would have been 5 playoff berths without a bum shoulder, and a potential MVP

 

thats not bad. 

 

since 2015, we had the let down season following right after, a 12-4 season in 2017 and we were right on track for another 12-4 season and potential MVP in 2018 before injury...

 

why are people acting like Cam is some Bum?

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, stirs said:

So to you, all but 4 teams in the NFL would jump at the chance to trade QB's?

I would say a majority would for a HEALTHY Cam. Bengals, Ravens, maybe Steelers b/c of Ben’s age/injuries, Titans, Jags, Jets, Dolphins, Bills, Raiders, Broncos, Vikings, Lions, Bears, Bucs, (maybe Falcons he is younger than Ryan, Giants, Eagles, Redskins, Cowboys, Niners, and Cardinals. (Don’t know about Rams as Goff seems to fit that system well). That’s what 19 with an additional 2-3 maybes...

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1 minute ago, The Huddler said:

when you think about it.. 

 

8 seasons. 

4 playoff berth

1 MVP season, one SB berth

 

would have been 5 playoff berths without a bum shoulder, and a potential MVP

 

thats not bad. 

 

since 2015, we had the let down season following right after, a 12-4 season in 2017 and we were right on track for another 12-4 season and potential MVP in 2018 before injury...

 

why are people acting like Cam is some Bum?

Woulda , Coulda , Shoulda... I didnt happen. Cam Newton has NEVER had back to back winning seasons. Period. Maybe not a bum, but not good by any measure. Then you take in account his career completion percentage, TD/Int ratio, QB rating.... its just not that good. Now he's 30 coming off a bum shoulder, changed mechanics and same footwork and for some reason you think he will be great? Ok. Not bashing just stating facts. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I would say a majority would for a HEALTHY Cam. Bengals, Ravens, maybe Steelers b/c of Ben’s age/injuries, Titans, Jags, Jets, Dolphins, Bills, Raiders, Broncos, Vikings, Lions, Bears, Bucs, (maybe Falcons he is younger than Ryan, Giants, Eagles, Redskins, Cowboys, Niners, and Cardinals. (Don’t know about Rams as Goff seems to fit that system well). That’s what 19 with an additional 2-3 maybes...

Then we certainly disagree.

Bears are thrilled with Trubinsky, Detroit gonna trade Stafford?, Jags just signed Foles?  Matt Ryan, are you kidding?

Yeah, I live in a different world.  I just disagree

[The Huddler]

6 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Woulda , Coulda , Shoulda... I didnt happen. Cam Newton has NEVER had back to back winning seasons. Period. Maybe not a bum, but not good by any measure. Then you take in account his career completion percentage, TD/Int ratio, QB rating.... its just not that good. Now he's 30 coming off a bum shoulder, changed mechanics and same footwork and for some reason you think he will be great? Ok. Not bashing just stating facts. 

 

 

is that you DeAngelo?

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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

I would say a majority would for a HEALTHY Cam. Bengals, Ravens, maybe Steelers b/c of Ben’s age/injuries, Titans, Jags, Jets, Dolphins, Bills, Raiders, Broncos, Vikings, Lions, Bears, Bucs, (maybe Falcons he is younger than Ryan, Giants, Eagles, Redskins, Cowboys, Niners, and Cardinals. (Don’t know about Rams as Goff seems to fit that system well). That’s what 19 with an additional 2-3 maybes...

Man this is a joke. No one is taking Cam of Donald, definitely not Foles, Carr, Stafford, Cousins, definitely not Wentz, Trubinsky, Haskins who is a rookie, Prescott and Murray who is the number 1 pick. Compare their numbers and come back.

Cam is 4 years younger than Ryan but if you were a GM who would you think would stay the healthiest and give you the most production with all things being equal Cam or Ryan? Stat wise Cam is not in the same league as Ryan. 

 

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9 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

is that you DeAngelo?

Dude why you mad at facts? 

 

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, stirs said:

Then we certainly disagree.

Bears are thrilled with Trubinsky, Detroit gonna trade Stafford?, Jags just signed Foles?  Matt Ryan, are you kidding?

Yeah, I live in a different world.  I just disagree

Granted it’s not fair because I’m assuming a healthy Newton, but striking against players like Big Ben and Stafford because they always have injuries. The ones you named I could see going either way, I just think coaches/coordinators would drool at the potential of a healthy Cam. If he is striking on all cylinders his ceiling is MVP. 

[TheRed]

Some of these posts about Cam read little more than the drunken rantings of someone's racist uncle.

[PleaseCutStewart]

36 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Brady has played with some pretty mediocre receivers and put up great numbers. There are a lot QBs who have way better years than Cam with out a running game and without a good Oline. And your statement about his footwork is telling. Every QB coach in the league will tell you without good, consistent footwork you will never be consistently accurate. Again 1 out of 8 years of good QB play just is not good by any measure. For what ever reason. 

Julian Edelman, Wes Welker, Deion Branch, Brandin Cooks, Josh Gordon - All receivers Brady has played with since Cam got in the league (and had the luxury of Randy Moss before Cam came into the league). AND... that is with probably a top 5 o-line just about every one of those years, RBs who were great at catching the ball and turning short gains into long gains, and Josh McDaniels calling plays on offense most of those years. Replace that with the likes of our receivers (prior to last year), whatever garbage we had at at LT after Gross retired (we did have that 1 good year out of Oher), and Mike Shula calling plays on offense and lets see if Brady can replicate his stats from those years.

I think Russell Wilson is probably the 1 QB that has had to deal with not much talent at WR and a poo oline for a few years. Outside of Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, and Carson Palmer (debatable whether they had worse o-lines), who all had a plethora of weapons to throw to for many years, what QB has had a worse o-line than Cam and performed better?

Agree the footwork is an issue, but his completion percentage skyrocketed last year. Why? Because we 1) Actually had weapons to throw to, 2) Correctly utilized those weapons, and 3) Weren't extremely predictable like we were with Shula at OC. Good OCs know how to counter QB weaknesses

[Darvinsun]

51 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Brady has played with some pretty mediocre receivers and put up great numbers. There are a lot QBs who have way better years than Cam with out a running game and without a good Oline. And your statement about his footwork is telling. Every QB coach in the league will tell you without good, consistent footwork you will never be consistently accurate. Again 1 out of 8 years of good QB play just is not good by any measure. For what ever reason. 

You take the good with the bad. Cam has flaws if his accuracy was great he would be perfect. There is no such thing. I love me some Brady but I admit he has been in a perfect world. Great coach and coordinators go a long way. Brady has had at least 1 good wr and tight end. This tells the story. Coaching staff knows what they are doing and surround there Qb with guys who support their QB skills. Cams whole time here they were trying to find out who fits Cam. For starters let's just get a we that can catch a ball, then run and not trip over their own feet. Greg Olsen was Cams constant after Smitty left. Just like Gronk was t ok Brady. Who was the Edeleman on the Panthers or Amendola, Weller. It's not fair to compare Cam to Brady bc it's not equal playing field not just Cam, any other QB maybe Brees, and Rodgers, sandeigo QB but that's it.

I think Cam could have been better if he had an offensive minded coach who wasn't a rookie coach along with him. Cam came in a gamer. Get you what u need anyway he can too bad the only one like him was Olsen and Stewart.

[Darvinsun]

53 minutes ago, stirs said:

Then we certainly disagree.

Bears are thrilled with Trubinsky, Detroit gonna trade Stafford?, Jags just signed Foles?  Matt Ryan, are you kidding?

Yeah, I live in a different world.  I just disagree

Just bc they will not trade is not a knock on Cam. That means they are satisfied with what they have. If I like peaches and nectarines and I choose a peach over the nectarine it does not mean I like the nectarines any less but rather what I am in a mood for.

[bchamp10]

Like it or not, Cam has to win this season and be the driving force of why we win games. I've grown up in Charlotte and been a Panthers fan since day one but that doesnt make me blind from reality. The reality being that he is wildly inconsistent week to week, for every splash play there is a boneheaded turnover and is having trouble staying healthy now. If you cant see that as a fan then you are part of the problem not the solution. On paper at least, he has a good defense, offensive weapons, top 10 oline and competent coordinators. This is it fellas and gals, it just is...