Good afternoon

[The Lobo]

Since everyone is hyped up for football returning, here is a fun comparison:

 

 

 

[arbnranger]

Can’t deny stats 

Real deal .. Cam just needs to show everyone that he can win the big game to solidify a history  of dominance. 

Unfortunately stats and field cred disappear pretty quickly if you don’t have that signature/big baller  win. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 hour ago, pennywise said:

Different league now and then 

no. same 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

1 hour ago, pennywise said:

Different league now and then 

The league is different now than it was before and it has changed in a lot of ways.

[TheSpecialJuan]

31 minutes ago, pennywise said:

Oh okay

good

[Moo Daeng]

1 hour ago, rbsponsel52 said:

The league is different now than it was before and it has changed in a lot of ways.

The times they are a changing. The more things change the more they stay the same. Time may change me but I can"t change time.

[rayzor]

People act like this isn't that big of a deal because it's a different league or whatever, but who else matches up like this in their first several seasons?

 

[The Lobo]

2 hours ago, bull123 said:

Stats are numbers but championships are much more important 

So Dan Marino is chop liver? 

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 hour ago, rbsponsel52 said:

The league is different now than it was before and it has changed in a lot of ways.

no. same

[The Lobo]

3 hours ago, pennywise said:

Different league now and then 

You’re right it is different, but should that matter? If it were that big of a deal, why does everyone go nuts about Brees breaking Marino’s record a while back? It was a different league back then too right, but not one discredits Brees. Same said for these stats. New players stats are always compared to older players, it’s not uncommon. I’m Cams first 8 years he has less ints than Jim Kelly in his first 8 years. Modern NFL passes way more, so by that logic, wouldn’t Newton have more INTs?

heres their comparisons:

[Davidson Deac II]

Can't even begin to compare the two.

 

In Montana's first full season as a starter, 2 quarterbacks threw for 4000 plus yards.  In Cam Newton's first season, 10 of them threw for 4000 yards and three threw for 5000.  Of the top 10 qb's yardage wise in 1980, only two of them completed more than 60% of their passes.  In 2011, all of the top 10 completed more than 60%.   In 1980, over half of the top 10 qb's in yards had more than 20 interceptions.  In 2011, only 1 did.    The rules and styles were just different than they are now.  

https://www.insidehook.com/article/sports/nfl-rule-changes-created-golden-era-quarterback-stats

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“By and large, the NFL has really tried to enhance scoring and benefited the offense,” 

 

 

[Davidson Deac II]

11 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

You’re right it is different, but should that matter? If it were that big of a deal, why does everyone go nuts about Brees breaking Marino’s record a while back? It was a different league back then too right, but not one discredits Brees. Same said for these stats. New players stats are always compared to older players, it’s not uncommon. I’m Cams first 8 years he has less ints than Jim Kelly in his first 8 years. Modern NFL passes way more, so by that logic, wouldn’t Newton have more INTs?

heres their comparisons:

No.

DB's could get away with more, and qb's were far less protected than they are now.   The average starter in Joe Montana's first season had 20 plus int's.   Dan Fouts had 24, and was considered by many to be the best qb in the NFL that year.  In Cam's first season, he had 17 and that was one of the higher numbers in the NFL for starters.  

[The Lobo]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Can't even begin to compare the two.

 

In Montana's first full season as a starter, 2 quarterbacks threw for 4000 plus yards.  In Cam Newton's first season, 10 of them threw for 4000 yards and three threw for 5000.  Of the top 10 qb's yardage wise in 1980, only two of them completed more than 60% of their passes.  In 2011, all of the top 10 completed more than 60%.   In 1980, over half of the top 10 qb's in yards had more than 20 interceptions.  In 2011, only 1 did.    The rules and styles were just different than they are now.  

https://www.insidehook.com/article/sports/nfl-rule-changes-created-golden-era-quarterback-stats

 

 

Oh I think Joe is the GOAT and in no way do I think Cam is Montana. I just thought it was a neat comparison and Cam deserves more credit than he gets poo.

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, The Lobo said:

Oh I think Joe is the GOAT and in no way do I think Cam is Montana. I just thought it was a neat comparison and Cam deserves more credit than he gets poo.

I think if Cam's arm is healthy, he is one of the better qb's in the NFL.  

I am just not a fan of comparing qb's from different era's.