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One big takeaway from All or Nothing.


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I appreciated how the show depicted perception and reality regarding what we think of the team based on what we see, and how the team really is behind closed doors. I was more impressed by Ron's leadership as we often label him as this stoic, few of words type of coach who has a high tolerance threshold for error.

One thing I would say is that if fans still view Cam in the way the media paints him (nonsense traits such as selfishness, childish, immature, not a leader, etc etc), even after seeing this series, then /shrug. 

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21 hours ago, WarHeel said:

Donte gets a lot of coverage in episode 4 I believe. The kid has a lot of growing up to do as he doesn’t take constructive criticism too well. But it’s what expect from someone his age and his level of talent.

I have a lot of younger employees.   None of them take constructive criticism well. 

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RR is the consummate players coach.  He also knows football inside and out.  I think he knows the ups and downs of football and was assuming the ship was going to right itself.  

Episode 7 really opened my eyes on how bad it was, when TD is shutting off the happy music, and then complaining during the game about delays in getting the scheme in so the D can get set.  

I think waiting until after the Tampa Bay loss was just too late....and RR has admitted that.  

Cam probably needed to be pulled during the home Saints game...so many short passes, he was just in too much pain.

 I can't blame RR for that, but maybe Heinke could have gotten the job done.  

In the Tepper was right, I'd rather be lucky than smart.   I think luck  plays a big role, I think some breaks you make for yourself and RR waited to long to make them.

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1 hour ago, Udogg said:

I have a lot of younger employees.   None of them take constructive criticism well. 

That’s because the prior generation is tolerant to the concept of entitlement and willingly passes it on to their offspring. All starts in the home. 

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11 hours ago, WarHeel said:

That’s because the prior generation is tolerant to the concept of entitlement and willingly passes it on to their offspring. All starts in the home. 

Not just the prior generation.  It's inherent to human nature over time.  No matter what direction you look at it.   People feeling entitled for help, people feeling entitled because of where they were born, who their parents are, their race, their religion, etc..etc..  

It's gonna happen. 

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13 minutes ago, Udogg said:

Not just the prior generation.  It's inherent to human nature over time.  No matter what direction you look at it.   People feeling entitled for help, people feeling entitled because of where they were born, who their parents are, their race, their religion, etc..etc..  

It's gonna happen. 

True story

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17 hours ago, Udogg said:

I have a lot of younger employees.   None of them take constructive criticism well. 

Out of curiosity, how were they approached? The way constructive criticism is delivered is the difference between being constructive and destructive. 

I'm relatively young (35) and managed a team of folks mostly younger than me (2 were older). The most difficult to give feedback to was the eldest member of the team due to a variety of reasons (was no longer happy in the job, was working on his graduate's degree, wife and him were having issues, kids needed extra attention, etc). We did have a teammate who was the poster child for the "obnoxious, entitled millennial" stereotype, but he was extremely coachable if you took the time to let him air out his grievances, validated his concerns, and focused on growth.

I've found that the younger generation(s) tend to expect their employers to understand that their employees are people and not expendable resources. If they feel like they're not valued and have to look over their shoulder due to a toxic culture, they'll be less receptive to anything related to the job even if that would be something beneficial to them (not saying this was the case with you, just sharing my experience).

In our society, unfortunately, there is a race to assign blame so that the individual(s) being punished can be focused on rather than focusing on the issue and learning from the experience. I didn't look at mistakes as opportunities to make an example out of someone, but rather as an opportunity for them (and the rest of the team depending on what the mistake was) to learn and grow from it. Once they weren't afraid of making mistakes, they made less because they were more willing to say, "I don't know, but I'll find out" rather than "I don't know, but I hope I got it right."

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11 hours ago, WarHeel said:

That’s because the prior generation is tolerant to the concept of entitlement and willingly passes it on to their offspring. All starts in the home. 

That because many folks think that what they think or feel needs to shared with everyone and they have a right to say what they want. Couple that with the idea that everyone should treat them special and tell them how great they are and you now have this narcissistic cocoon most pro athletes live inside. One contributer was when you give out awards for participation instead of doing something. My son gave me all his trophies from all the team's he participated on and only kept those from when they won championships or tournaments. Said they didn't mean anything if they didn't win. I never suggested he do that  but was proud of him for making that choice.

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11 hours ago, WarHeel said:

That’s because the prior generation is tolerant to the concept of entitlement and willingly passes it on to their offspring. All starts in the home. 

Older generation spoils and coddles their offspring while at the same time complaining about them as if they didn't create whatever it is they are complaining about.

My dad is 85. Born in the Great Depression. He doesn't take criticism well either.

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2 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Older generation spoils and coddles their offspring while at the same time complaining about them as if they didn't create whatever it is they are complaining about.

That is because many of the older generation were not treated well as children and tried to make sure their children were treated better than they were. Unfortunately many overcompensated and did too much. The pendulum tends to swing back and forth from one extreme to the other.

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30 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

That is because many of the older generation were not treated well as children and tried to make sure their children were treated better than they were. Unfortunately many overcompensated and did too much. The pendulum tends to swing back and forth from one extreme to the other.

Maybe. This generation  complaining about the younger generation is my generation. We generally talk about how our childhoods were so much better than now. 

I know my nieces and older children of my friends are much more motivated and behaved than anybody I knew in the late 80s and early 90s.

Point being, generalizations of other generations are all pretty much BS based on sentiment.

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2 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

Maybe. This generation  complaining about the younger generation is my generation. We generally talk about how our childhoods were so much better than now. 

I know my nieces and older children of my friends are much more motivated and behaved than anybody I knew in the late 80s and early 90s.

Point being, generalizations of other generations are all pretty much BS based on sentiment.

You were part of the me generation so of course you wanted it handed to you without work. I forget how young most folks are on here.  I am talking about the baby boomer parents who had their children in the 70s, 80s and 90s. You prove my point. Many of those folks are doing great like my two oldest who both have PhDs and are very successful. My youngest is still in college. Still others have never attained the same wealth or success as their parents although they had more help and opportunities.

Today's youth are swinging the other way. After seeing their parents struggle they have now become success and money driven. Sure generalizations are not always accurate but they become generations because there is truth to them as well.

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36 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You were part of the me generation so of course you wanted it handed to you without work. I forget how young most folks are on here.  I am talking about the baby boomer parents who had their children in the 70s, 80s and 90s. You prove my point. Many of those folks are doing great like my two oldest who both have PhDs and are very successful. My youngest is still in college. Still others have never attained the same wealth or success as their parents although they had more help and opportunities.

Today's youth are swinging the other way. After seeing their parents struggle they have now become success and money driven. Sure generalizations are not always accurate but they become generations because there is truth to them as well.

It is not that simple, unfortunately. If it were, the issue would be easily fixable.

It isn't something as simple as how folks were raised, it also has to do with the environment (nature/nurture). My parents, for example, were able to purchase a home for less than $100k in a nice neighborhood. That is nowhere near the case for myself and others my age. That is a huge deal as well, as the ability to own property creates an opportunity to build wealth. The difference in the cost of higher education, energy, etc is also being ignored.

It is really the same stuff all of the time. People get older, they don't understand something younger folks do, and like all people that don't understand something they ridicule/avoid/fight/learn about it to make it less threatening to them. Out of the four of those, only one seeks understanding. The other three seek conservation because, understandably, older folks want to preserve the things that they have because life is constant change.

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