Highest rated MLB in Madden?!

[CPcavedweller]

On 7/12/2019 at 3:21 PM, Cracka McNasty said:

Him and Kuechly are 1a 1b interchangeable on any given Sunday. 

Wagner had a better year last year, don't even doubt it.

Our entire defense had a down year - Luke included. He was out of position and missed a lot of tackles early on. He eventually righted the ship because he's Luke but everyone was suspect last year. Wagner had a better year start to finish. 

I read somewhere that Luke had the fewest missed tackles of any MLB in the league last season. I don't have a link but I remember reading that. 

[Ricky Spanish]

7 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

I read somewhere that Luke had the fewest missed tackles of any MLB in the league last season. I don't have a link but I remember reading that. 

If true, then that means Luke is that dang elite that it was noticeable that he missed tackles for once in his life.

[TheRed]

12 hours ago, Peppers90 NC said:

One had a 34 wonderlic score, the other an 8. The same with the higher wonderlic also had better measurable at the combine.

Johnny Manziel scored a 32 on his wonderlic. That's one score lower than the undisputed GOAT Tom Brady at 33.

Maybe don't put too much stock in these things.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

9 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Johnny Manziel scored a 32 on his wonderlic. That's one score lower than the undisputed GOAT Tom Brady at 33.

Maybe don't put too much stock in these things.

To be fair, a score of 8 is technically considered below literate. 20 is the league wide average so below 8 is well below.

Thats not me taking a shot at his intelligence either, but in fairness, 8 is actually a really poor score 

But I tend to agree with you. It’s an overrated gauge. Frank Gore only scored an 8 and he has been the definition of a class workhorse throughout his career 

 

[Peppers90 NC]

44 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Johnny Manziel scored a 32 on his wonderlic. That's one score lower than the undisputed GOAT Tom Brady at 33.

Maybe don't put too much stock in these things.

Yea it's not the end all be all, but it is something. Ace was claiming people suggested Luke was only smarter because he was white, based on stereotypes (and funny at the same time, less athletic which is not true at all). If anything, people should be ashamed that assuming Luke is less athletic based on stereotypes when his combine numbers put him with the top DBs that year. I brought some measurables to the table and he has since disappeared. The wonderlic is a type of IQ test but it doesnt mean someone is smart or not, but I am sure you know all that. It measures aptitude, problem-solving and general intelligence. While I know nothing about Wagner other than he his a hell of a football player, I do know based on listening to Luke talk about the game, he studies the hell out of film and can assess plays quickly. I also know he is continuously praised for his play diagnosis like no player in the history of the game. I do kinda question , based on his concussions, his general intelligence to continue playing though. So based on that, a strong score of 34 pretty much backs up will people assume about him.

[Peppers90 NC]

1 hour ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

To be fair, a score of 8 is technically considered below literate. 20 is the league wide average so below 8 is well below.

Thats not me taking a shot at his intelligence either, but in fairness, 8 is actually a really poor score 

But I tend to agree with you. It’s an overrated gauge. Frank Gore only scored an 8 and he has been the definition of a class workhorse throughout his career 

 

Unless we contain obtains SAT's or actual IQ tests, this is the best we got. Ace claimed that people who said Luke was more cerebral only said it because he was white and that is the stereotype. Then, the only measurable out our disposal to support or battle that claim, actually was kinda embarrassing for Wagner and  especially for Ace. The worst part about this, is that Luke is being undervalued for being the superior athlete as well. 

[TheMostInterestingMan]

26 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Unless we contain obtains SAT's or actual IQ tests, this is the best we got. Ace claimed that people who said Luke was more cerebral only said it because he was white and that is the stereotype. Then, the only measurable out our disposal to support or battle that claim, actually was kinda embarrassing for Wagner and  especially for Ace. The worst part about this, is that Luke is being undervalued for being the superior athlete as well. 

Oh I 100% agree with you. It shows that clearly Luke is well above average for the rest and Wagner is honestly embarrassingly low. He made it all about race and he’s been made to look like an absolute fool. No surprise he has since gone completely silent and disappeared from this thread entirely. 

Gotta love how he can confidently come in here and accuse someone of being a racist and then when he gets proven completely wrong and uninformed on the discussion he just backs out quietly without manning up and admitting he made a mistake. Classy

[Ricky Spanish]

From my understanding of the Wonderlic, it isn't a means to diagnose intelligence, but ability to solve problems quickly under pressure - like a simulated snap in football almost. It uses basic arithmetic and logic puzzles to gauge a player's aptitude at thinking quickly on their feet. 

The problem with it though, is that not all players were brought up in the same education systems and therefor, might not be as strong of a reader or as good at math as others. Those same guys that get low scores on the Wonderlic might be able to diagnose a coverage or offensive play based on alignment quicker than anyone, but no reading or math is required. That's where football IQ comes in and there's no way to determine that unless you sit with a guy as he diagnoses film and works on the whiteboard. So for all we know, Wagner's football IQ is just as high as Luke's, but we plebs won't ever really know. 

[CanadianCat]

... WTF is wrong with you Amercians... 

Just came here to talk football not stir up some bloodly race war. 

[AceBoogie]

Lol at me disappearing. The veterans here know that I don’t disappear. I simply have real life poo to do. I don’t sit on here all day waiting for a response. Nobody slighted Luke athletically. I could give two fugs about a wonderlic score and no I didn’t threatened to fight you bruh. You said I was hiding and I presented an opportunity for you to see that I don’t hide. You know where I’ll be on Sundays if I have time to make it down. I’ve never attacked any of you personally, just your argument is flawed. Like I said at best its homerism and at worst it’s racist. I travel all over the country if any of you aren’t local to charlotte. Let me know where you are and I’ll buy either of you a beer and offer my perspective. That’s what not hiding means. 

@Peppers90 NC @TheMostInterestingMan@Cracka McNasty @45catfan

[Panthers4real]

41 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

... WTF is wrong with you Amercians... 

Just came here to talk football not stir up some bloodly race war. 

It’s a shame you can’t compare 2 good football players that happen to be different races without being called a racist anymore. 

[TheMostInterestingMan]

36 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Lol at me disappearing. The veterans here know that I don’t disappear. I simply have real life poo to do. I don’t sit on here all day waiting for a response. Nobody slighted Luke athletically. I could give two fugs about a wonderlic score and no I didn’t threatened to fight you bruh. You said I was hiding and I presented an opportunity for you to see that I don’t hide. You know where I’ll be on Sundays if I have time to make it down. I’ve never attacked any of you personally, just your argument is flawed. Like I said at best its homerism and at worst it’s racist. I travel all over the country if any of you aren’t local to charlotte. Let me know where you are and I’ll buy either of you a beer and offer my perspective. That’s what not hiding means. 

@Peppers90 NC @TheMostInterestingMan@Cracka McNasty @45catfan

Quite a turn from accusing a poster of essentially calling Wagner a “dumb black guy” lol

 

your argument is the one that  is both flawed and incorrect. Get over yourself and all this nonsense you are going on about. Cheers

[Ricky Spanish]

29 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Lol at me disappearing. The veterans here know that I don’t disappear. I simply have real life poo to do. I don’t sit on here all day waiting for a response. Nobody slighted Luke athletically. I could give two fugs about a wonderlic score and no I didn’t threatened to fight you bruh. You said I was hiding and I presented an opportunity for you to see that I don’t hide. You know where I’ll be on Sundays if I have time to make it down. I’ve never attacked any of you personally, just your argument is flawed. Like I said at best its homerism and at worst it’s racist. I travel all over the country if any of you aren’t local to charlotte. Let me know where you are and I’ll buy either of you a beer and offer my perspective. That’s what not hiding means. 

@Peppers90 NC @TheMostInterestingMan@Cracka McNasty @45catfan

I'd take you up on a beer dude. I love beer and talking football.

But I wasn't really calling anyone out in particular, just pointing out people in general sleeping on Luke as an athlete. 

[AceBoogie]

1 minute ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Quite a turn from accusing a poster of essentially calling Wagner a “dumb black guy”

 

your argument is the one that  is both flawed and incorrect. Cheers

My point hasn’t changed. I never showed any hostility to either of you. I said he engaged in code speak and racist and offensive remarks. Now if y’all want to take it there...