McCaffrey or Kamara Gets To 1000/1000 in 2019? (Article)

[Wolfcop]

1 hour ago, Bronn said:

All I know is that it is gonna be hella hard for me to pick which one of them will be my keeper on my fantasy team from last year.

See, I am handicapped by my refusal to have a non-Panther NFCS player on my roster. But, I do have CMC in my keeper league! 

[BrianS]

25 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I agree, CMC might get fewer opportunities if Samuel, Moore and the others get more use.  On the other hand, we might see his yp carry/catch go up.  

That's the absolute best possible outcome, and what all Panther fans should be hoping for.  Fewer touches, same or more yards.  This means that other Panther players have become such a threat that the touches CMC gets are far less contested.

[Davidson Deac II]

12 minutes ago, BrianS said:

That's the absolute best possible outcome, and what all Panther fans should be hoping for.  Fewer touches, same or more yards.  This means that other Panther players have become such a threat that the touches CMC gets are far less contested.

Agreed, although the best possible outcome is that CMC and Cam share Superbowl MVP honors. 

[JARROD]

It’s possible, but winning means spreading the ball around and getting it done. 

Having 1200 rushing and 500-600 receiving is probably more in line with winning assuming 3700 yards passing with all the receiving options we have now. 

Personally I would like to see the bulk of  2500 of those yards between Moore, Samuel, Wright, 500-700 to the tight ends and 500-700 to running backs,..

unless Cam starts throwing 5000 yards a season,.. which up until now has NOT equated to winning Super Bowls then that’s the numbers to split. 

Winning is what matters so if it’s 2500 yards between tight ends and running backs and we get to the Super Bowl then so be it,.. but that’s not what I expect it takes to get there.

[45catfan]

9 minutes ago, JARROD said:

It’s possible, but winning means spreading the ball around and getting it done. 

Having 1200 rushing and 500-600 receiving is probably more in line with winning assuming 3700 yards passing with all the receiving options we have now. 

Personally I would like to see the bulk of  2500 of those yards between Moore, Samuel, Wright, 500-700 to the tight ends and 500-700 to running backs,..

unless Cam starts throwing 5000 yards a season,.. which up until now has NOT equated to winning Super Bowls then that’s the numbers to split. 

Winning is what matters so if it’s 2500 yards between tight ends and running backs and we get to the Super Bowl then so be it,.. but that’s not what I expect it takes to get there.

Agreed, if CMC gets 1,000 yards receiving that means something is not clicking in the passing game.

[Khyber53]

I'm thinking both will.

[mbarbour21]

26 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Agreed, if CMC gets 1,000 yards receiving that means something is not clicking in the passing game.

I don’t know. Years back when we had D-Will or Stewart I would have to agree with you. But honestly, I think CMC will be considered PART OF the passing game. Also, he can gain a lot of yards with check downs. So dangerous. 

[45catfan]

11 minutes ago, mbarbour21 said:

I don’t know. Years back when we had D-Will or Stewart I would have to agree with you. But honestly, I think CMC will be considered PART OF the passing game. Also, he can gain a lot of yards with check downs. So dangerous. 

Nobody is questioning how dangerous CMC is, but if we are filtering our passing attack via check downs to him as we did last year, then something is very wrong in our passing game.  It has nothing to do with his ability, obviously he has it, but it has everything to do with touches.  Christian should not have an adequate amount of catches to reach 1,000 yards if the passing game running on all cylinders.

[MechaZain]

22 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Honestly I hope CMC doesn't get it because that would mean Ron is likely overusing the crap out of him. We have RB2 and RB3. If he plays CMC like they played Cam the first part of his career, I don't think we will have him a long time before the injuries start showing up. Not saying CMC isn't a durable guy, but all those hits add up and I'd like to keep him for a while. 

Same. If CMC gets the kind of usage he did last year so will the rest of the offense and we have a problem.

[45catfan]

When your RB leads (in the receiving column of the stat sheet) all WRs/TEs in  receptions, yards, yards/game, targets, touchdowns, explosive plays, 1st downs and YAC that's clearly not saying CMC can't reach 1,000 yards receiving, it means the WRs and TEs are struggling.

[Pantha-kun]

Well when Marshall Faulk the last person to get 1000/1000 , that team won the Super Bowl that year, and wasnt that primarily known for being a down the field passing attack? They still had a WR who got more receiving yards than Faulk did and two other WRs that got at least 600. 

 

46 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Nobody is questioning how dangerous CMC is, but if we are filtering our passing attack via check downs to him as we did last year, then something is very wrong in our passing game.  It has nothing to do with his ability, obviously he has it, but it has everything to do with touches.  Christian should not have an adequate amount of catches to reach 1,000 yards if the passing game running on all cylinders.

Just because CMC may get 1000/1000 doesn't mean we can't win at the same time. He could get to 1000 receiving yards with way less receptions if he increased his yards per reception. By the same logic he could get to 1000 yards rushing with less rushes if he increased his YPC. 

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, Pantha-kun said:

Well when Marshall Faulk the last person to get 1000/1000 , that team won the Super Bowl that year, and wasnt that primarily known for being a down the field passing attack? They still had a WR who got more receiving yards than Faulk did and two other WRs that got at least 600. 

 

Just because CMC may get 1000/1000 doesn't mean we can't win at the same time. He could get to 1000 receiving yards with way less receptions if he increased his yards per reception. By the same logic he could get to 1000 yards rushing with less rushes if he increased his YPC. 

The Rams were also known as the "greatest show on turf".  I seriously doubt this offense reaches the level of proficiency of Warner, Faulk, Bruce and Holt with Mike Martz (a pass-happy HC/OC) calling the plays.  The Rams went legit 4-deep at WR with Prohel and Hakim in the mix too.  Faulk was not their leading receiver the year he went 1,000/1,000 either, Issac Bruce was.  That being said, the top four WRs mentioned put up a stout 3.000 yards.  Faulk clipped the threshold by a mere 48 receiving yards... and that's with Matrz feeding Faulk with receptions in the last game or two when the milestone was within reach. There's a reason it's only been done twice, it's an extremely hard feat to accomplish.  If anything I would compare CMC to LT in San Diego which would be more in line with our offenses prowess. Even then Tomlison did it only once despite a HOF career.

[mbarbour21]

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Nobody is questioning how dangerous CMC is, but if we are filtering our passing attack via check downs to him as we did last year, then something is very wrong in our passing game.  It has nothing to do with his ability, obviously he has it, but it has everything to do with touches.  Christian should not have an adequate amount of catches to reach 1,000 yards if the passing game running on all cylinders.

I’m not disagreeing that a lot of check downs would symbolize a struggling pass attack. I’m just saying that I believe he can turn a few check downs into a lot of yards. And also, that they will DRAW UP PLAYS to get CMC the ball thru the air, because he creates such a mismatch. I don’t see him as a fall back, but a very intentional part of the passing attack. However, I do agree with you that if he has a very big amount of touches, then it’s likely a bad sign. And that we need to spread the all around and not work CMC to death. 

[45catfan]

51 minutes ago, mbarbour21 said:

I’m not disagreeing that a lot of check downs would symbolize a struggling pass attack. I’m just saying that I believe he can turn a few check downs into a lot of yards. And also, that they will DRAW UP PLAYS to get CMC the ball thru the air, because he creates such a mismatch. I don’t see him as a fall back, but a very intentional part of the passing attack. However, I do agree with you that if he has a very big amount of touches, then it’s likely a bad sign. And that we need to spread the all around and not work CMC to death. 

The only other thing I would add is that with check downs it hurts your yards/reception average.  While CMC is elusive and creates missed tackles, more times than not you still have the entire back 7 to beat when catching passes out of the backfield.  Contrast that with a WR who generally has just one or some of the secondary to compete with in most of the route tree.  Even though CMC had a record 107 catches, his average was only about 8 yards which is attributed to being so close to the line of scrimmage.  Christian was actually last for average yards per catch among the Panthers players that had more than 3 catches on the year.  That's a direct correlation to more traffic to navigate coming out of the backfield.

I know the team splits Christian out to the X and Z sometimes to get him in space, but they would have to do that a whole heck of a lot to rise that yards/reception stat from last year and almost certainly on fewer touches.  If the coaches decide to split out our RB that much, again what does that say about our WRs?