LeBron James

[Darth Biscuit]

I don't blame you KT... if Jordan was still playing, I'd probably have a thread like this for him...

I don't even like NBA... college and international ball are MUCH better... NBA has fallen almost to the level of the Harlem Globetrotters IMO... more entertainment than basketball... but I do like to watch LeBron...

[King Taharqa]

I don't blame you KT... if Jordan was still playing, I'd probably have a thread like this for him...

I don't even like NBA... college and international ball are MUCH better... NBA has fallen almost to the level of the Harlem Globetrotters IMO... more entertainment than basketball... but I do like to watch LeBron...

Thats what Im saying man. LeBron has brought people back to the game. Britneck is just an undercover Kobe fan insecure about all the love King James has been gettin lately. 9 out of 10 LeBron haters are Laker loyalist/Kobe worshippers.

[rico6]

That's just down right offensive KT..

lol

[Britneck]

Thats what Im saying man. LeBron has brought people back to the game. Britneck is just an undercover Kobe fan insecure about all the love King James has been gettin lately. 9 out of 10 LeBron haters are Laker loyalist/Kobe worshippers.

You're a dumbass. One i was saying how i like your Bobcats threads and want to see more of them because we are Bobcats fans and we're finally in the hunt. Lebron is all over ESPN everyday. I'm more of a Lebron fan then i am a Kobe fan. I think I've said this in other threads. Kobe's thread doesn't get bumped everyday like Lebron's does. Oh and Kobe is better then Lebron right now. He is way more clutch.

[King Taharqa]

You're a dumbass. One i was saying how i like your Bobcats threads and want to see more of them because we are Bobcats fans and we're finally in the hunt.

I have 1 thread dedicated to LeBron. I rep the Bobcats in every post I make on this board. The 2 are not exclusive, we can admire LeBron's greatness while still celebrating the Bob's breakout year this year.

Lebron is all over ESPN everyday. I'm more of a Lebron fan then i am a Kobe fan. I think I've said this in other threads. Kobe's thread doesn't get bumped everyday like Lebron's does. Oh and Kobe is better then Lebron right now. He is way more clutch.

Kobe is on ESPN far more. He plays in the 2nd biggest market and for an NBA franchise that has 11 championships without him. My point still stands, Ive never seen you tell someone on here to stop talking about Kobe. Just keep it real, you are a Kobe fan. Kobe more clutch? Pfft. He hits game winners over NBA doormats his team shouldnt even be in close games with. LOL. Thats clutch? Why wasnt he clutch versus LeBron in the biggest game of the year? Or better yet, why not last night against the lowly Clippers?

[Britneck]

The Kobe thread is 3 pages long. Can you read? I said this one is always bumped. They are both on all day. You were the one to bring Kobe into it not me. I really have no idea where you got this whole i love kobe thing. When i say i like Lebron more im lying. I'm just telling it how it is. You're just blinded by your man crush for Lebron. Really? Does it matter who you hit the game winners over? They are still game winners. Lebron misses wide open game winners against the Bobcats. How many game winners does Lebron have this year? Zero. While kobe has 3 and has surpassed Jordan for most game winners all time. If there is 3 seconds left i want Kobe shooting it not Lebron. It's like he stiffens up and doesn't know what to do or he passes to some scrub to shoot it. If its over all game i want Lebron because you're getting the points, assists and rebounds. But in the clutch Kobe all day.

[King Taharqa]

The Kobe thread is 3 pages long. Can you read? I said this one is always bumped. They are both on all day. You were the one to bring Kobe into it not me. I really have no idea where you got this whole i love kobe thing. When i say i like Lebron more im lying. I'm just telling it how it is. You're just blinded by your man crush for Lebron. Really? Does it matter who you hit the game winners over? They are still game winners. Lebron misses wide open game winners against the Bobcats. How many game winners does Lebron have this year? Zero. While kobe has 3 and has surpassed Jordan for most game winners all time.

LeBron doesnt need last second game winners to beat the league's worst teams. When you're on the league's best defensive team they usually crush their opponents like they did the Lakers not even 2 weeks ago. Last second heroics were not needed. How quickly you forget. And your Kobe has more game winners than MJ statement is laughable. :smilielol5: Kobe doesnt even have more than Carmelo or Dirk in this era. He does have the most missed game winning shots of this era. If you want me to embarass you further and back that FACT up with a source, I gladly will.

If there is 3 seconds left i want Kobe shooting it not Lebron. It's like he stiffens up and doesn't know what to do or he passes to some scrub to shoot it. If its over all game i want Lebron because you're getting the points, assists and rebounds. But in the clutch Kobe all day.

You must've missed LeBron's game winning 3 pointer in the NBA conference finals last year. That shot has become LeBron's signature playoff moment. Now quick, tell me Kobe's last second game winning playoff shot that people remember him for. You shouldnt even need google right? LOL.

Like I said you are a Kobe worshipper masquerading as a partial LeBron fan. The fact you've totally blocked out Kobe & LA getting destroyed by 39 points in an NBA Finals elimination game not even 2 years ago proves to me such. The fact you've blocked out Kobe quitting on his team (something LeBron has never done) in Phoenix a few years back when he choked away a 3-1 series lead proves to me such. LOL. So clutch! The fact you're too young to remember Kobe shooting the Lakers out of the Finals in 04 with his 2 assists a game and 30% from the field when the Pistons could not stop Shaq proves to me as such.

[Britneck]

LeBron doesnt need last second game winners to beat the league's worst teams. When you're on the league's best defensive team they usually crush their opponents like they did the Lakers not even 2 weeks ago. Last second heroics were not needed. How quickly you forget. And your Kobe has more game winners than MJ statement is laughable. :smilielol5: Kobe doesnt even have more than Carmelo or Dirk in this era. He does have the most missed game winning shots of this era. If you want me to embarass you further and back that FACT up with a source, I gladly will.

You must've missed LeBron's game winning 3 pointer in the NBA conference finals last year. That shot has become LeBron's signature playoff moment. Now quick, tell me Kobe's last second game winning playoff shot that people remember him for. You shouldnt even need google right? LOL.

Like I said you are a Kobe worshipper masquerading as a partial LeBron fan. The fact you've totally blocked out Kobe & LA getting destroyed by 39 points in an NBA Finals elimination game not even 2 years ago proves to me such. The fact you've blocked out Kobe quitting on his team (something LeBron has never done) in Phoenix a few years back when he choked away a 3-1 series lead proves to me such. LOL. So clutch! The fact you're too young to remember Kobe shooting the Lakers out of the Finals in 04 with his 2 assists a game and 30% from the field when the Pistons could not stop Shaq proves to me as such.

I've actually been to Cleveland to see Lebron play twice. One regular season and the playoffs the year they went to the finals. Ive also made it a point to go see him play against the Bobcats 3 times including the one game this year. I've seen Kobe play once and that was back in the day of the Hornets. Lebrons game winning shot? Really? Congrats you won a game and lost the series. That shot was amazing! Man if he didn't hit that shot they would have lost 4-1 instead of 4-2. How quickly you forgot the Spurs sweeping the Cavs in the Finals. The Lakers got blown out by a team that should have never been allowed to be made. It's funny that i have said in every post im more of a Lebron fan but you still keep bringing kobe up. I've honestly never even liked Kobe. I've always said he got his rings from having Shaq on his team. I do think he has matured a lot since those days though and has become a great player. I mean the guy wanted Phil fired and wanted out of LA. But really King T I'm Lying. Also i think im going to the March 1st game against the Knicks in Cleveland. I'll send you a picture of Lebron for you to rub one off too.

[Hawk]

oh you ain't got a thing if you ain't got the ring

doooowap doowapppp doowaap

[King Taharqa]

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP)—LeBron James kept asking for the ball in the paint and made big plays there down the stretch. With the Warriors going small, he took advantage of the mismatch.

James had 37 points, 11 assists and eight rebounds and the Cleveland Cavaliers ran their winning streak against Golden State to four with a 117-114 victory Monday night.

“It’s a point in my game I worked on a lot this offseason and it’s something I know I can go to throughout the game,” James said of backing down his defender. “Tonight was a perfect time for it.”

James shot 12 for 23 a night after he went 13 of 19 with 41 points in a 106-94 win at Portland and also had 10 rebounds and eight assists. For the second straight game, he wore one blue shoe and one orange shoe to go with Cleveland’s throwback jerseys.

“He said he wanted the ball in the post. He demanded the ball in the post. He went to the post and got it done,” Cleveland coach Mike Brown said. “He’s capable of doing that every game. That’s how talented he is. That’s how strong and athletic he is and he’s a willing passer.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2010011109&prov=ap

Man those Cavs "Brad Daugherty/Mark Price/Hot Rod" throwbacks are HOT!!!!!!!! Gotta get me one.

[chabber]

I've been waiting to see them all year. It's about time they finally wore a jersey that was actually used before.

[Falcons1stPanthers2nd]

LeBron is a better player than Kobe. Kobe has the rings because he has a better team even if he is the best player on his team. In the clutch i'd take either one. Personally i'd take Kobe first Lebron 2nd but you can't go wrong either way.

[carpanfan96]

These are purely game winning shots. The stats from 82 games aren't all GW shot attempts. They used stats for game tying shots as well.

Kobe has 29 game winning shots in his career.

LeBron has 11 GW in his career.

Will say this though at this point, James is a better all around player then Kobe. In the clutch for a game winning shot though, I'll still take Kobe.

Couldn't find a list for Dirk or Anthony however. I have the list for James and Bryant though.

Lebron

Mar. 22, 2006: Cavaliers 120 - Bobcats 118 (jumper over Jones w/ 0.9 secs)

April 10, 2006: Cavaliers 103 - Hornets 101 (jumper over Mason w/ 0.5 secs)

April 28, 2006: Cavaliers 97 - Wizards 96 (PO, bank-shot over Ruffin w/ 5 secs)

May 03, 2006: Cavaliers 121 - Wizards 120 (PO, layup w/ 0.9 secs)

May 31, 2007: Cavaliers 109 - Pistons 107 (Conf-Finals, layup w/ 2.2 secs)

Jan. 17, 2008: Cavaliers 90 - Spurs 88 (layup w/ 33.6 secs)

Jan. 30, 2008: Cavaliers 84 - TrailBlazers 83 (layup w/ 0.9 secs)

Feb. 22, 2008: Cavaliers 90 - Wizards 89 (game-winning FTs w/ 7.8 secs)

Jan. 23, 2009: Cavaliers 106 - Warriors 105 (buzzer-beater, jumper over Turiaf)

Mar. 01, 2009: Cavaliers 88 - Hawks 87 (game-winning FT w/ 1.6 secs)

May 22, 2009: Cavaliers 96 - Magic 95 (Conf-Finals buzzer-beater, 3-pointer over Turkolgu)

Kobe

12/27/99: Lakers 108 - Mavericks 106 (game-winning FTs)

02/13/00: Lakers 113 - Nets 110 (OT game-winning layup with the and-1)

05/10/00: Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (playoffs, jumper over Jason Kidd)

*06/14/00: Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (*eventual game-winner* NBA Finals, off reb and put back)

11/16/00: Lakers 112 - Kings 110 (OT game-tying 3 pointer for OT, & jumper for win)

02/07/01: Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83 (jumper with 2.7 sec)

01/02/02: Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86 (off reb and the jumper)

02/22/02: Lakers 96 - Hornets 94 (first career buzzer-beater jumper)

03/24/02: Lakers 97 - Kings 96 (fade-away with 36 sec)

05/12/02: Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (playoffs, off reb for the put back)

12/06/02: Lakers 105 - Mavericks 103 (28-point game comeback, spin-around jumper)

04/04/03: Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101 (buzzer beater jumper)

04/06/03: Lakers 115 - Suns 113 (final jumper with 28.6 sec)

12/19/03: Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99 (game after the trial, fade-away)

02/17/04: Lakers 89 - Blazers 86 (layup and the foul)

03/03/04: Lakers 96 - Rockets 93 (jumper over Yao with 22 sec)

03/21/04: Lakers 104 - Bucks 103 (OT jumper with 25 sec)

04/14/04: Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (OT game-tying 3-pointer for OT, & g-winning 3-pt buzzer beater)

03/13/05: Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116 (pump fake jumper for the win)

11/02/05: Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97 (OT jumper after the Kwame brick)

12/04/05: Lakers 99 - Bobcats 98 (game-winning FTs)

01/07/06: Lakers 112 - Clippers 109 (game-winning off-the-window shot)

01/12/06: Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98 (jumper against Lebron with 8 sec, & Lebron choking)

04/30/06: Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (OT game-tying tear drop for OT, and game-winning jumper)

01/14/08: Lakers 123 - Sonics 121 (OT game-winning jumper)

01/09/09: Lakers 121 - Pacers 119 (jumper against Jarrett Jack with 3 sec)

12/04/09: Lakers 108 - Heat 107 (game-winning buzzer-beater 3-pointer over Wade)

12/16/09: Lakers 107 - Bucks 106 (game-winning buzzer-beating jumper over Bell)

01/01/10: Lakers 109 - Kings 108 (game-winning buzzer-beater 3-pointer with 4.1 seconds left and 0.1 remaining)

[King Taharqa]

...and then we get to Kobe Bryant. Kobe fans don't like to hear it, but while their man is #4 in the league in total game winners hit, he holds the top spot in a less glamorous category: most game winning opportunity missed shots!

42 - Kobe

35 - Vince Carter

33 - Joe Johnson, LeBron

32 - Crawford

31 - Billups

Now we're not Kobe haters by any means and I will readily give him his due as one of the best NBA players (note however, I didn't say the best) but he certainly has an overblown reputation when it comes to the clutch shot: people remember the ones he hits, but not the ones he misses, and heck you think a 56 FGA to 1 assist ratio might be part of the problem? He does have a better record in the playoffs though, which we'll get to down below.

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Carpanfan this list is different from yours and only looks at GW shots from the 03 season to the middle of the 09 season. At that point LeBron had more GW shots in that time period in the regular season and tied for most in the playoffs. They need to update their list thru this season though. My initial point still stands though, Kobe's repuation as a "clutch" shooter and LeBron's reputation as "folding up in the clutch" are bogus.