Worst FO/Owner in Charlotte sports

[DeAngelo Beason]

MJ Hornets.  By a landslide.

[Anybodyhome]

Anyone who thinks today's Hornets, Bob Johnson, MJ or JR are the worst are only showing their relatively young age and lack of historical knowledge.

The sh!t George Shinn did made JR look like a saint.

[MadHatter]

On 7/1/2019 at 2:19 PM, Anybodyhome said:

Anyone who thinks today's Hornets, Bob Johnson, MJ or JR are the worst are only showing their relatively young age and lack of historical knowledge.

The sh!t George Shinn did made JR look like a saint.

Depends on your criteria being used.  If you are talking about off the field/court issues or being a crappy person...Shinn is the worst.  If you are talking about ineptness are doing his job and botching decisions...MJ is worst and it is not even close.

[TNPanther]

George Shinn and it’s not even close.

[X-Clown]

Evidently George Shinn has registered on the board and uses the poop reaction to defend himself

[45catfan]

Apparently 8 people still worship MJ even though he's a horrible owner.  

[MechaZain]

Bob Johnson created the most embarrassing franchise in the history of the league, named it after himself, and beefed with local businesses and the fans for not supporting his trash product. He was a billionaire who's basically banished from the city and managed to do so without a scandal, which speaks to how tremendously bad he was just as a sports team owner. Anyone who would rather have him over Jordan right now is either too young or just doesn't remember.

Shinn and Richardson are vile guys but they at least put together a good product.

MJ sucks at basketball operations but he's already done more for the city and team then Johnson ever even cared to.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

Bob Johnson created the most embarrassing franchise in the history of the league, named it after himself, and beefed with local businesses and the fans for not supporting his trash product. He was a billionaire who's basically banished from the city and managed to do so without a scandal, which speaks to how tremendously bad he was just as a sports owner. Anyone who would rather have him over Jordan right now is either too young or just doesn't remember.

He was bad but Jordan is really not appreciably better at the on the court results. Plus, he was also head of basketball operations under Bob Johnson, so he has been directly involved in our terrible talent evaluation situation from the start.

 

 

[MechaZain]

19 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He was bad but Jordan is really not appreciably better at the on the court results. Plus, he was also head of basketball operations under Bob Johnson, so he has been directly involved in our terrible talent evaluation situation from the start.

We'll never know how deeply involved he was then versus now but the Jordan era has been better than the Johnson era in every aspect. Like if you give MJ no other credit they didn't get to the playoffs or have an all-star before his ownership, and the best player the city's had was drafted under his tenure.

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

We'll never know how deeply involved he was then versus now but the Jordan era has been better than the Johnson era in every aspect. Like if you give MJ no other credit they didn't get to the playoffs or have an all-star before his ownership, and the best player the city's had was drafted under his tenure.

The playoffs is kind of true and kind of not true. Jordan acquired majority ownership in March 2010, a couple of months before they made their first playoff appearance. So, that path was basically set prior to Jordan's majority stake.

The All-Star game I will give you but that didn't help the Bobnets as a franchise. And for drafting the best player, he will also have to take credit for the insane run of awful draft picks. The one elite player has basically been the only elite player in the history of the team. Our track record for lottery picks is absolutely appalling.

Jordan was also responsible for one of only seven #1 overall draft picks(since the start of the lottery) that hasn't been a Hall of Famer, All-Star, All NBA or ROY. Don't forget his disastrous short tenure as head of basketball operations in Washington.

That is kind of my point about Jordan. He has been deeply involved in the basketball operations from the Bobnets inception, so he is the person the most responsible for how unbelievably terrible we have been in player evaluation. 

[MechaZain]

I hear you but this is about who is a better as an owner. I get that the public assumes Jordan is always in charge no matter what his title is, but you're giving Johnson a pass on his terrible choice in who headed basketball operations. If Jordan gets the blame for Johnson's failures then you have to put a lot of Jordan's on Cho and Kupchak. The accountability always comes back to the owner ultimately.

Also I like Bobnets lol. Always used Horncats myself.

[45catfan]

People have a hard time differentiating MJ the player/person to MJ front office/owner.  MJ the person/player is absolutely superb, but as a front office guy/owner, he's horrible. There is no way as in ZERO someone can honestly say the Panthers were ran worse under Richardson than Jordan has ran the Hornets.  Even if you hate Richardson...and the hate runs really deep around here, the facts (wins, playoffs, division titles, Superbowl appearances, staying power, competitiveness and even loyalty of fan base etc...) say otherwise.  

[kungfoodude]

15 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

I hear you but this is about who is a better as an owner. I get that the public assumes Jordan is always in charge no matter what his title is, but you're giving Johnson a pass on his terrible choice in who headed basketball operations. If Jordan gets the blame for Johnson's failures then you have to put a lot of Jordan's on Cho and Kupchak. The accountability always comes back to the owner ultimately.

Also I like Bobnets lol. Always used Horncats myself.

Yea, Johnson was foolish to allow Jordan that kind of personnel control but it was a condition of him being part of the ownership group, IIRC. TBH, I am pretty convinced that the GM position for the Bobnets is a pretty weak role because Jordan wants to have complete control over personnel. If you look at his history, this makes a lot of sense. Cho and Kupchak are glorified advisors, most likely.

Either way, Johnson and Jordan are both terrible owners.

I like Bobnets because it perfectly encapsulates the complete ridiculousness of which the franchise was founded on and how we have never dug out of that hole despite a name change.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Stoney said:

Correct.  Jordan came in as an owner in June 2006 and had full control of all basketball operations starting at that point in time.  Johnson was still the largest shareholder but Jordan was 2nd largest and was the chief operating officer -- he now has over 13 years under his belt as the control person.

By definition an expansion franchise in the NBA is going to struggle out of the gate and since Johnson was the control person for only 2 years it's hard to really tack the pitiful competitive track record on Johnson.

The line of demarcation here is folks who conflate popularity with success as it goes to evaluation the owner in question vs. those who zero in on the on-field/court results as the proper measuring stick. 

Somewhat related question...has there ever been a Panthers or Bobcats/Hornets coach who is universally regarded as excellent?

George Seifert was PRIOR to coming to the Panthers. His stint here basically outed him as a product of an extremely successful machine of a franchise.