Kemba FA watch (Woj Bomb, Celtics are the front runner to sign per sources once opens sunday)

[carpanfan96]

25 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

I’m still holding out hope we offer more money and he stays. 

Apparently MJ won't let the team go over 170m, they are uncomfortable with him making that much. So MJ has allowed Mitch to start a rebuild. Starts with ripping off the Kemba band-aid the team has had the last three years. Basically what it boils down to is MJ isn't paying the tax which means the offer won't go over 32-33m per year. Max offer was 165m over 5 years. Which puts them right on the line of paying this year's tax. 

 

 

An Observer source confirmed that the Hornets aren’t comfortable paying $170 or more over five years — far less than they’re allowed under NBA rules — over concern they would end up paying the league’s luxury tax. Unless that changes, it looks likely the Hornets will lose Walker with no compensation.

 

Jordan has said it doesn’t make sense for a team not in contention to have a player payroll that exceeds the luxury-tax threshold, projected to be $132 million next season. The Hornets have at least $98 million in guaranteed salary for next season, $101 million with unguaranteed salaries for Dwayne Bacon and Willy Hernangomez.

 

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[jumpman910]

1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

Apparently MJ won't let the team go over 170m, they are uncomfortable with him making that much. So MJ has allowed Mitch to start a rebuild. Starts with ripping off the Kemba band-aid the team has had the last three years. 

Only issue I have with it is the lack of foresight or backup plan. Paying Kemba that much and the team still sucks isn't ideal but now their going into a rebuild without enough pieces.

Pieces they could've gotten last year. You hate to see it but I'm not surprised that's its happening to them. 

[carpanfan96]

6 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

Only issue I have with it is the lack of foresight or backup plan. Paying Kemba that much and the team still sucks isn't ideal but now their going into a rebuild without enough pieces.

Pieces they could've gotten last year. You hate to see it but I'm not surprised that's its happening to them. 

Yea, most definitely should've traded him if they knew the max offer they were going to give was 160-165m a season. That's less per year or the same as the 4/140 and that allows him to hit one more contract if he's still playing at a high enough level. 160/5 was never, ever going to work.

 

 

 

 

Also to add to this and an update. Woj is saying it's a done deal and Kemba has already committed to Boston.  

[MrBubba]

Bring back George Shinn

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, carpanfan96 said:

An Observer source confirmed that the Hornets aren’t comfortable paying $170 or more over five years — far less than they’re allowed under NBA rules — over concern they would end up paying the league’s luxury tax. Unless that changes, it looks likely the Hornets will lose Walker with no compensation.

 

Jordan has said it doesn’t make sense for a team not in contention to have a player payroll that exceeds the luxury-tax threshold, projected to be $132 million next season. The Hornets have at least $98 million in guaranteed salary for next season, $101 million with unguaranteed salaries for Dwayne Bacon and Willy Hernangomez.

 

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You know, as much as I think MJ is a shitty owner, he is 100% right. It really does not make sense for us to have a super max player when we aren't even remotely a contender.

But, that being said, they had ample opportunities to trade him and did not. So they royally fuged this up.

[Eazy-E]

3 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

Also to add to this and an update. Woj is saying it's a done deal and Kemba has already committed to Boston.  

If this is true Boston is going to get seriously fined. It would mean they are blatantly breaking the tampering rules.

Also where has woj stated it is a done deal? Everyone who has stated anything about Kemba going to Boston is going off of Woj's comments on sport center that there is chance he signs with Boston when the legal tampering period begins on Sunday. 

There literally hasn't been a single peep from Kemba or his camp because it would be breaking the tampering rules, so where is Woj getting his information?

[carpanfan96]

22 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

If this is true Boston is going to get seriously fined. It would mean they are blatantly breaking the tampering rules.

Also where has woj stated it is a done deal? Everyone who has stated anything about Kemba going to Boston is going off of Woj's comments on sport center that there is chance he signs with Boston when the legal tampering period begins on Sunday. 

There literally hasn't been a single peep from Kemba or his camp because it would be breaking the tampering rules, so where is Woj getting his information?

I'm not sure where, but MacMullan from ESPN said it was done already with a wink, wink comment. Woj also said it was a 4 year 141m offer with league sources saying Charlotte wasn't going any higher and we're out. 

 

 

[ncfan]

38 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

If this is true Boston is going to get seriously fined. It would mean they are blatantly breaking the tampering rules.

Also where has woj stated it is a done deal? Everyone who has stated anything about Kemba going to Boston is going off of Woj's comments on sport center that there is chance he signs with Boston when the legal tampering period begins on Sunday. 

There literally hasn't been a single peep from Kemba or his camp because it would be breaking the tampering rules, so where is Woj getting his information?

1. Boston has let it been known that they want Kemba.  They dont have to physically talk to him to let that be known.

2. There have been multiple reports that we gave our offer and Kemba turned it down.  And MJ isnt paying more than offered and both sides have to decided to move on. 

3. Kemba has people up in the Boston area, he went to Uconn 1.5 hours down the road.  It has been reported Jim Calhoun (Kemba's coach at UCoNN) ia close with the coach in Boston 

[djp14]

3 hours ago, Stoney said:

Set everything else aside and simply look at win/loss records and Mr. Shinn is hands-down the best major league sports owner the town of Charlotte has ever had, it's a fact.

I just ran the numbers:

Jerrry Richardson -  23 seasons, .499 winning pct.

George Shinn -  14 seasons, .487 winning pct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_Panthers

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHA/

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, bull123 said:

So MJ refuses to pay luxury tax...l love MJ but what a cheapskate...if he can’t afford the team he should sell it

they have totally screwed the pooch on this one

i read MJ is making money hand over fist on the hornets...if it comes out that he kept from trading Kemba just for all star game...

MJ is the GOAT, but he is the worst manager of players and teams ever

His point was valid though, there is no reason to pay the luxury tax if you are not a contending team. The Bobnets are not a contending team with Kemba or without Kemba.

[CarolinaNCSU]

On the tampering stuff...it's not tampering to talk to agents. Does tampering happen? Of course, every franchise does it. But Kemba's agent is surely well aware of the offer Boston will make him, which is legal. 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, bull123 said:

first off...i think boston will be measurably better with kemba over kyrie

i have no idea what the hornets are doing...why didn't we trade kemba if we knew we werent going to pay him the max?...any moron should know the only reason he would stay here would be for big cash

 i just don't get it

  

I might buy the argument they would be better but Kyrie isn't the only player they lost. Essentially, they bet big on their young core and let a bunch of key veteran players go. Given the rift that formed, that could be a good thing or it could be a bad thing. It is also entirely possible that the young core is not going to flourish at all. A lot of those guys draw pretty mixed reactions around the league.

[rippadonn]

Kemba was asked " would you take less $ for the Hornets to try and build a winner around you?" He said something like "yeah, I'd take less".

Maybe building around Kemba to the Hornets means getting another max level player like Kemba and having that ability sooner than later.

Had them and Kemba agreed to continue to negotiate they could have perhaps kept Lamb and added somebody significant after those bad contracts ran out.

This may be an unpopular opinion but here goes, ...Kemba may be leaving the better team for what exactly? It wasn't about disrespect, I'm sure his agent would love to disagree but no. Should the Hornets offer a bit more? Yeah. If Kemba was OK with trying to build a winner here then less $ isn't disrespect, it's leaving room for the team to put a great player beside you.

In my opinion this GM is the first in a while that could actually pull it off. If they are serious about winning now sell Kemba on keeping his friend Lamb which means $, keeping the good young core while letting big dead weight contracts drop off and go hard after a big free agent in a year or two to put with him and Lamb and the young core they've already built behind him, but that takes a lot of $ but that's probably the fastest way for this team to be a winner.

The Hornets should offer more though, and Kemba should pick up the phone, everybody in that building loves him. Sad state of affairs.

 

 

[Woodie]

10 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

His point was valid though, there is no reason to pay the luxury tax if you are not a contending team. The Bobnets are not a contending team with Kemba or without Kemba.

Yep.  MJ's said in the past he's willing to pay the luxury tax, but only if it makes the team a legit contender.  So if we were one player away, then I think he'd be fine bringing in/re-signing a top FA, but it doesn't make sense when you are barely contending for the last playoff spot, let alone an NBA title.

This team needs to tank (I actually hate that term...sounds too much like trying to lose.  Reboot is probably a more accurate description).  The problem is that MJ is too competitive and impatient to let the tank play out.  But if we do it right, this team could be in the catbirds seat in a couple of years.  We already have a solid young core to build around.  If we use high picks from the next couple of drafts to bring in more talent and hopefully at least one star, we could be the belle of the ball for FA's once all those big contracts will come off the books in a couple of years.  Heck, we'd probably also be in position to make a big trade like Toronto did for Kawhi.