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[TheRed]

22 hours ago, Lumps said:

Panthers still need a power back to compliment cmc and take the load off.

 

oh wait we’ll just use cam for that, smart move

This is one aspect that falls squarely on our head coach. It isn't up to Cam or any other player, the coach needs to figure out how to manage a roster. He's eight years in.

You saw what happened last year with CJ Anderson. Yet somehow through it all, Artis-Payne stuck around. It is bewildering. That cannot happen this year. We need legit competition, and more importantly, actual use of the RB2 position.

[Ricky Spanish]

44 minutes ago, KaseKlosed said:

You guys and thus race issue. You have to drop it. It is utterly impossible to say what a power back would do or not do in our system that has never played for us. You guys make these crazy scenarios and run with them. You guys are stans of cmc. Im a fan of the team. You think about race a lot with your racist handle 

We didn't have Fournette, but we did have Stewart who was also a power back. He was solid but nothing amazing in our offensive scheme. Having a guy with versatility and finesse to compliment Cam's bruising running style helps open up the offense. I truly believe that Fournette would have failed here in Carolina, and the jury is still out on his success in Jax. My biggest concern with Fournette out of college was durability based on the way he plays the game. He is a mean runner that doesn't shy away from contact but those kinds of RB's don't last long in the NFL these days. Too much wear and tear on their bodies.

CMC's versatility, to me at least, has made him worthy of the top 10 pick so far. It's why Kamara would have been worthy of the same draft position as well, and why Saquan was worth the #2 pick to me too. With these players you get a two for one special. In addition to getting a starting RB, you get a slot WR all rolled into one. RBs of old are not worth that high of a price tag, this new age of RB though makes me believe they might be worth it for their versatility.

Also, you could cut CMC, Cam, Luke, and Greg tomorrow if it meant we'd win the super bowl. I don't care. But refusing to give credit where it's due to a player on your favorite team because he doesn't play the game the way you think someone at his position should reminds me of the thinly veiled racist rhetoric Cam sees year in and year out. 

[TheRed]

Fournette isn't missing the necessary talent. Unfortunately for the Jaguars it sounds like another round of yet another superior athlete crashing down to earth because the dedication to buying into a team mentality is distinctly missing.

As for CMC. Yes he has had a few detractors here, but comparing that to the downright disgusting vitriol that Cam has dealt with from even his own fanbase since the word go is just distasteful IMO. That's a reach, and frankly embarrassing.

[Ricky Spanish]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

Fournette isn't missing the necessary talent. Unfortunately for the Jaguars it sounds like another round of yet another superior athlete crashing down to earth because the dedication to buying into a team mentality is distinctly missing.

As for CMC. Yes he has had a few detractors here, but comparing that to the downright disgusting vitriol that Cam has dealt with from even his own fanbase since the word go is just distasteful IMO. That's a reach, and frankly embarrassing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_analogy#False_analogy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring#Logical_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I'm going to start citing these on your posts. 

You are attempting to paint a broad brush of ALL of the racism that Cam has seen instead of the one on one comparison of this particular situation in which I am highlighting. We can all agree Cam has had to unfairly deal with more racist vitriol than pretty much all the other QBs in the NFL. But that's not what I'm arguing.

I'm saying that people have said they didn't like Cam because they don't like the way he plays the game, and isn't a traditional QB. YOU PERSONALLY have said that those remarks are veiled racism before.

I am presenting that those exact SAME remarks are being made about another player who does not fit the typical mold of the position. You are saying that because Cam has it worse, It doesn't matter.

No, both are wrong in both situations and both should be called out at all times. 

[ChibCU]

8 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_analogy#False_analogy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring#Logical_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I'm going to start citing these on your posts. 

You are attempting to paint a broad brush of ALL of the racism that Cam has seen instead of the one on one comparison of this particular situation in which I am highlighting. We can all agree Cam has had to unfairly deal with more racist vitriol than pretty much all the other QBs in the NFL. But that's not what I'm arguing.

I'm saying that people have said they didn't like Cam because they don't like the way he plays the game, and isn't a traditional QB. YOU PERSONALLY have said that those remarks are veiled racism before.

I am presenting that those exact SAME remarks are being made about another player who does not fit the typical mold of the position. You are saying that because Cam has it worse, It doesn't matter.

No, both are wrong in both situations and both should be called out at all times. 

Cracka McNasty defeats TheRed by way of KO/TKO in Round One.

 

[TheRed]

20 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_analogy#False_analogy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring#Logical_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I'm going to start citing these on your posts. 

You are attempting to paint a broad brush of ALL of the racism that Cam has seen instead of the one on one comparison of this particular situation in which I am highlighting. We can all agree Cam has had to unfairly deal with more racist vitriol than pretty much all the other QBs in the NFL. But that's not what I'm arguing.

I'm saying that people have said they didn't like Cam because they don't like the way he plays the game, and isn't a traditional QB. YOU PERSONALLY have said that those remarks are veiled racism before.

I am presenting that those exact SAME remarks are being made about another player who does not fit the typical mold of the position. You are saying that because Cam has it worse, It doesn't matter.

No, both are wrong in both situations and both should be called out at all times. 

I simply disagree with you that the level of criticism a white player such as CMC has faced is even in the same universe as that of an African-American quarterback in the NFL such as Cam Newton.

Do you see any Panthers fans or NFL fans in general lining up to criticize the way CMC dresses in public?

Take one look at racism on social media, and play me a tiny violin for all the white guys in the world 

[Davidson Deac II]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

I know that there is cuteness and sarcasm there, but I'm really excited to see what Scarlett is going to bring. Holyfield may bring a punch also.

I am hoping that Holyfield turns out to be the real deal.

[Ricky Spanish]

2 hours ago, TheRed said:

I simply disagree with you that the level of criticism a white player such as CMC has faced is even in the same universe as that of an African-American quarterback in the NFL such as Cam Newton.

Do you see any Panthers fans or NFL fans in general lining up to criticize the way CMC dresses in public?

Take one look at racism on social media, and play me a tiny violin for all the white guys in the world 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Not talking about the overall racism Cam faces. Not talking about people giving him crap for the way he dresses. Not even claiming that white guys are facing anywhere near the same level of racism in everyday life that Black people do. I'm Talking about the same veiled language used to discredit Cam's accomplishments is being used to discredit CMC's based solely on the fact that he is an "untraditional" player at his position in both his looks and skill-set. 

I'm saying that "___ isn't any good because he doesn't play the position the way it should be played." is inherently a problematic statement whether you fill the blanks in with:

Cam isn't any good because he doesn't play the position the way it should be played.

or

CMC isn't any good because he doesn't play the position the way it should be played.

Both are wrong to say because both are loaded with underlying implications. Doesn't matter who's white and who's black - you're implying that because they look different they can't be good at what they do. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 hours ago, TheRed said:

I simply disagree with you that the level of criticism a white player such as CMC has faced is even in the same universe as that of an African-American quarterback in the NFL such as Cam Newton.

Do you see any Panthers fans or NFL fans in general lining up to criticize the way CMC dresses in public?

Take one look at racism on social media, and play me a tiny violin for all the white guys in the world 

Cam is going to receive more criticism than CMC. He's a QB and he's the face of the Panthers at that.  Frankly most of the criticism of Cam I see has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin and has to do with his abilities as a QB. As for how he dresses, Cam fashion marches to the beat of his own drum. Some of his outfits are rather tame, and then others look like they were thrown together by a blind man digging through the penny cart at Goodwill. Just because people criticize the way he dresses doesn't make them racist. If CMC had walked through Paris wearing the same outfit Cam had on, I would have thought it looked just as ridiculous on him. It reminded me of dress crazy day back in school. 

I live in the Pacific NW and so I get to hear a lot of criticism of Cam without the hometown bias. I can't recall ever hearing a conversation about him and his successes or failures ever being because of the color of his skin.

Do I think the NFL is bias towards him. Absolutely. Do I think it has to do with race? Absolutely not. Cam is everything the NFL doesn't want. He's a young man that loves to play the game. His energy is infectious. He's loud, he's flamboyant, he takes no prisoners, he plays for the love of the game and the people around him and you can see it on and off the field. If I were the NFL, I would be making him one of the faces of the NFL because he can draw in so many people. His energy is unlike anything I have ever seen from a player. The man truly has a gift and the NFL is wasting it because they don't know what to do with it. 

With Cam it's simple. Take him as he is and just enjoy it all, good bad crazy calm whatever. It's just Cam being Cam. 

[TheRed]

19 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Not talking about the overall racism Cam faces. Not talking about people giving him crap for the way he dresses. Not even claiming that white guys are facing anywhere near the same level of racism in everyday life that Black people do. I'm Talking about the same veiled language used to discredit Cam's accomplishments is being used to discredit CMC's based solely on the fact that he is an "untraditional" player at his position in both his looks and skill-set. 

I'm saying that "___ isn't any good because he doesn't play the position the way it should be played." is inherently a problematic statement whether you fill the blanks in with:

Cam isn't any good because he doesn't play the position the way it should be played.

or

CMC isn't any good because he doesn't play the position the way it should be played.

Both are wrong to say because both are loaded with underlying implications. Doesn't matter who's white and who's black - you're implying that because they look different they can't be good at what they do. 

KaseKlosed is the only poster saying that about CMC.

I have suspicions like you what his motivations are for making those remarks. But there is no disputing that he is the sole contributor here who actually thinks that way.

You blasted me for whataboutism, but let's be crystal clear here. You dragged Cam into this. Not me.

[TheRed]

6 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Cam is going to receive more criticism than CMC. He's a QB and he's the face of the Panthers at that.  Frankly most of the criticism of Cam I see has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin and has to do with his abilities as a QB. As for how he dresses, Cam fashion marches to the beat of his own drum. Some of his outfits are rather tame, and then others look like they were thrown together by a blind man digging through the penny cart at Goodwill. Just because people criticize the way he dresses doesn't make them racist. If CMC had walked through Paris wearing the same outfit Cam had on, I would have thought it looked just as ridiculous on him. It reminded me of dress crazy day back in school. 

I live in the Pacific NW and so I get to hear a lot of criticism of Cam without the hometown bias. I can't recall ever hearing a conversation about him and his successes or failures ever being because of the color of his skin.

Do I think the NFL is bias towards him. Absolutely. Do I think it has to do with race? Absolutely not. Cam is everything the NFL doesn't want. He's a young man that loves to play the game. His energy is infectious. He's loud, he's flamboyant, he takes no prisoners, he plays for the love of the game and the people around him and you can see it on and off the field. If I were the NFL, I would be making him one of the faces of the NFL because he can draw in so many people. His energy is unlike anything I have ever seen from a player. The man truly has a gift and the NFL is wasting it because they don't know what to do with it. 

With Cam it's simple. Take him as he is and just enjoy it all, good bad crazy calm whatever. It's just Cam being Cam. 

Any grown man who displays more than an extremely fleeting level of concern for the way another adult Male dresses in his spare time needs to evaluate their own life.

[SmokinwithWilly]

An entire industry is devoted to just that. How many billions of dollars are spent on marketing and design just for the clothes we wear? Personally I agree with you and devote a random passing thought to it, but there are those that do and make a pretty good penny because of it. 

[kungfoodude]

What is the goddamn fug happened in this thread??

[Ricky Spanish]

33 minutes ago, TheRed said:

KaseKlosed is the only poster saying that about CMC.

I have suspicions like you what his motivations are for making those remarks. But there is no disputing that he is the sole contributor here who actually thinks that way.

You blasted me for whataboutism, but let's be crystal clear here. You dragged Cam into this. Not me.

I did. Pie for that.

However I do not believe I pulled a whataboutism but I believe you did. I brought Cam in because the statements made about CMC were identical to the statements made about Cam in the past. Change the names and you wouldn't be able to tell who they were talking about. You brought up "What about people making fun of Cam's clothes? What about the fact Cam is a QB?" Those statements are used to distract and push the discussion away from the point at hand - that the original statements should not be made as they contain some unsavory undertones.