Understanding Cam Newton by PFF.

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26 minutes ago, RelaxImaPro said:

Aaron Rodgers will eat your ass alive to the tune of a 5+ TD performance if you let him get comfortable in the pocket.  You don’t want to leave him in the pocket, whoever said that earlier.  You want him thinking about that rush closing in on him.  Yeah, he’s still good as fug while moving outside the pocket but at least he won’t completely shred your defense (though sometimes he still does) as bad while being hurried and scrambling.

I had an ex girlfriend that would eat my ass alive.  I miss her. Not the crazy, just the sex.

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6 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Gosh, you think that maybe some of that (not all, but SOME) might be because of the frequency of pressure he's been under and the number of hits he's taken behind some utter crap offensive lines?

ANOTHER NEWS FLASH!  QUARTERBACKS THAT GET HIT AND PRESSURED MORE THAN OTHER QUARTERBACKS LIKELY THROW MORE INCOMPLETIONS THAN QUARTERBACKS THAT GET HIT AND PRESSURED LESS!  HOT OFF THE PRESSES!

Interesting... The wasnt the case in 2018. Watson, Wilson, Rogers, Ryan all were in top 10 in pressures, sacks but were also in the top 10 in TD/Int Ratio and completion %. 

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13 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Actually Norv and Zimmer got into it about what the offense should be doing (not the first time Zimmer got into it with his staff) and Norv quit when he said Shurmur was going to call plays. Keenam had a quarterback rating of 98 which was the highest of his career that one year. If Shurmur was so talented than why has he sucked for the Giants. According to you quarterbacks don't matter so why is he doing so poorly with a Superbowl winning quarterback and a top running back?

This is a guy who has no credibility and knows little about football but has an opinion about everyone.  I tell it like it is, you tell it like you think it is which is usually wrong and off the wall.

They got into it about the offense cause Norv’s offense was poo, if the offense was any good Zimmerman wouldn’t have told him squat. And you keep proving my point Keenum had a career high that year cause Shurmur was his OC not Norv the dinosaur. The second Keenum leaves he reverts back to his old self.

 

BTW I don’t Shurmur is that good, he’s just clearly better than Norv whose lucky to have Cam

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1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

They got into it about the offense cause Norv’s offense was poo, if the offense was any good Zimmerman wouldn’t have told him squat. And you keep proving my point Keenum had a career high that year cause Shurmur was his OC not Norv the dinosaur. The second Keenum leaves he reverts back to his old self.

 

BTW I don’t Shurmur is that good, he’s just clearly better than Norv whose lucky to have Cam

Not close.  Zimmer came from Cincy which has always favored more of a West Coast offense so he didn't really like more of a Coryrell style offense  and it takes some pieces to build. So Zimmer preferred Shurmur who ran that style under Philly prior to coming to the Vikings 

Keenam was suited for this type offense which is why he did well that year but has struggled elsewhere. Hence the reason he had a good year that year but not before or since. 

Obviously your explanation like your knowledge is limited as is your understanding of what happened. . The fact that Norv's offense struggled there and did well here is because we run his style of offense and Norv is very knowledgeable about the Coryell system. We had a similar offense structurally and players were already used to the concepts and terminology. Obviously was you call poo was a mismatch between personnel and style and a disagreement about how to get there. Norv felt he wasn't a good fit for what they were doing and opted out.

Here is an article explaining it. 

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/11/3/13508118/vikings-norv-turner-resigned-reasons-why-offense

I know you will have to respond to try and save face but honestly I doubt I will unless you actually have something to add to the conversation which so far you have just convoluted it.

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12 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Not close.  Zimmer came from Cincy which has always favored more of a West Coast offense so he didn't really like more of a Coryrell style offense  and it takes some pieces to build. So Zimmer preferred Shurmur who ran that style under Philly prior to coming to the Vikings 

Keenam was suited for this type offense which is why he did well that year but has struggled elsewhere. Hence the reason he had a good year that year but not before or since. 

Obviously your explanation like your knowledge is limited as is your understanding of what happened. . The fact that Norv's offense struggled there and did well here is because we run his style of offense and Norv is very knowledgeable about the Coryell system. We had a similar offense structurally and players were already used to the concepts and terminology. Obviously was you call poo was a mismatch between personnel and style and a disagreement about how to get there. Norv felt he wasn't a good fit for what they were doing and opted out.

Here is an article explaining it. 

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/11/3/13508118/vikings-norv-turner-resigned-reasons-why-offense

I know you will have to respond to try and save face but honestly I doubt I will unless you actually have something to add to the conversation which so far you have just convoluted it.

Zimmerman knew what type of offense Norv ran before he hired him.....

Yeah I’m sure having a bottom 5 offense wasn’t the reason they wanted to get rid of him, it was all play design. Lol You can’t be this this dunce.

 Good OC adapt to the players they have available, Norv not being in them.  Keenum was made to look better by Shurmur something Norv has continually failed to do wether it be in SD, Cleveland or Minnesota.

 

I get your little agenda your pushing

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1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

Zimmerman knew what type of offense Norv ran before he hired him.....

Yeah I’m sure having a bottom 5 offense wasn’t the reason they wanted to get rid of him, it was all play design. Lol You can’t be this this dunce.

 Good OC adapt to the players they have available, Norv not being in them.  Keenum was made to look better by Shurmur something Norv has continually failed to do wether it be in SD, Cleveland or Minnesota.

 

I get your little agenda your pushing

You seem the one with the agenda. Truth is regardless of your negative feelings about Norv and what he didn't do in Minnesota, the Panthers offense looked pretty potent until Norv couldn't scheme around Cam's shoulder once teams figured out that he couldn't throw the deep ball. With all our weapons and Norv in control this offense is going to be top 10 in points scored which is the only stat that counts. What really matters is not the past but the present and immediate future.  Norv has done a great job adapting the offense around Cam and our options. Apparently he must have learned a ton of things virtually overnight because all the things you are accusing him of lacking, he did a great job of exhibiting last season.

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21 hours ago, panthers55 said:

You seem the one with the agenda. Truth is regardless of your negative feelings about Norv and what he didn't do in Minnesota, the Panthers offense looked pretty potent until Norv couldn't scheme around Cam's shoulder once teams figured out that he couldn't throw the deep ball. With all our weapons and Norv in control this offense is going to be top 10 in points scored which is the only stat that counts. What really matters is not the past but the present and immediate future.  Norv has done a great job adapting the offense around Cam and our options. Apparently he must have learned a ton of things virtually overnight because all the things you are accusing him of lacking, he did a great job of exhibiting last season.

Norv is benefitting from having a great talent at QB and still needs to adapt to today’s style of offense. Games like the Lions and Seahawks were games when Norv’s prehistoric slow playing offense cost us. 

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10 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Norv is benefitting from having a great talent at QB and still needs to adapt to today’s style of offense. Games like the Lions and Seahawks were games when Norv’s prehistoric slow playing offense cost us. 

Any successful OC has to have talent around him. Cam wasn't great last year. In fact his bum shoulder cost us a number of games last year. By the way you know how you kept saying how great Shurmer was because he helped Case Keenan have a great year. Guess what.  Norv helped Cam have his best stats ever until the injury detailed everything. By your own logic, then Norv was great last year. And any slow play has been proven over and over to be Cam showboating after the play is over and sauntering in and out of the huddle. You clearly have an agenda. No one agrees with you so give up while you are behind.

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22 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Any successful OC has to have talent around him. Cam wasn't great last year. In fact his bum shoulder cost us a number of games last year. By the way you know how you kept saying how great Shurmer was because he helped Case Keenan have a great year. Guess what.  Norv helped Cam have his best stats ever until the injury detailed everything. By your own logic, then Norv was great last year. And any slow play has been proven over and over to be Cam showboating after the play is over and sauntering in and out of the huddle. You clearly have an agenda. No one agrees with you so give up while you are behind.

Cam shoulder being injured did cost us games but it’s a legitimate excuse. Meanwhile Norv’s prehistoric mindset and slow playing that cost us games has zero excuse.

 

And yes Norv being better than Shula is a great accomplishment lol. Any OC in the league would have been an upgrade and would have helped Cam improve his numbers. The thing is we went from a elementary offense to a middle school with Norv, which still is behind the times by league standard.

 

No one agrees with me accept the teams that fired Norv, the fact that he was jobless or the many nfl fans who still think Norv is a mediocre OC. If you want I can post some comments. Make you look even dumber.

 

We get it you think Cam is the problem and Norv is some great mind.

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3 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Cam shoulder being injured did cost us games but it’s a legitimate excuse. Meanwhile Norv’s prehistoric mindset and slow playing that cost us games has zero excuse.

 

And yes Norv being better than Shula is a great accomplishment lol. Any OC in the league would have been an upgrade and would have helped Cam improve his numbers. The thing is we went from a elementary offense to a middle school with Norv, which still is behind the times by league standard.

 

No one agrees with me accept the teams that fired Norv, the fact that he was jobless or the many nfl fans who still think Norv is a mediocre OC. If you want I can post some comments. Make you look even dumber.

 

We get it you think Cam is the problem and Norv is some great mind.

Cam is not the problem. Cam's mechanics we're and Norv and Scott were hired to fix it and so far have done a great job. You do know that most everyone on this site thinks Norv did a great job. You are one of the few bitching and complaining about him. No one else is with you on this one. Who else thinks Norv is the problem and needs to be replaced?

 

Bueller. .      

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On 6/28/2019 at 9:54 PM, panthers55 said:

Cam is not the problem. Cam's mechanics we're and Norv and Scott were hired to fix it and so far have done a great job. You do know that most everyone on this site thinks Norv did a great job. You are one of the few bitching and complaining about him. No one else is with you on this one. Who else thinks Norv is the problem and needs to be replaced?

 

Bueller. .      

Cam mechanics were never a problem, he still has the same mechanics from his rookie season, the offensive coaching and talent surrounding him is the problem.

 

You must have not been here all of last season, I can post the game threads of the lions, Seahawks , falcons, cowboys and eagles in pretty sure Ron and Norv are taking the majority of the heat in those games.

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5 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Cam mechanics were never a problem, he still has the same mechanics from his rookie season, the offensive coaching and talent surrounding him is the problem.

 

You must have not been here all of last season, I can post the game threads of the lions, Seahawks , falcons, cowboys and eagles in pretty sure Ron and Norv are taking the majority of the heat in those games.

If you think game threads from here actually reflect well thought out evaluations instead of moment to moment over reactions to individual plays reflecting the ebb and flow of the game then I am wasting my time here  Coaches always get the heat every week regardless of who screws up. What a stupid idea,. I bet Twitter feeds would be useful too in order to gather well thought out analysis and evaluation instead of instant reactions which change from series to series.  

Nah, you are reaching for anything and like usual, keep arguing even when you have no clue which is usually apparent to everyone else. Since you aren't smart enough to know when to quit I will do it for you . Again do you see folks taking up your complaint and agreeing with you? Of course not.

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15 hours ago, panthers55 said:

If you think game threads from here actually reflect well thought out evaluations instead of moment to moment over reactions to individual plays reflecting the ebb and flow of the game then I am wasting my time here  Coaches always get the heat every week regardless of who screws up. What a stupid idea,. I bet Twitter feeds would be useful too in order to gather well thought out analysis and evaluation instead of instant reactions which change from series to series.  

Nah, you are reaching for anything and like usual, keep arguing even when you have no clue which is usually apparent to everyone else. Since you aren't smart enough to know when to quit I will do it for you . Again do you see folks taking up your complaint and agreeing with you? Of course not.

>No one in this forum agrees with you

>Game threads in this same forum in which people agree with me, don’t matter cause it doesn’t help my agenda

LMAO

 

Nobody in this thread is agreeing with you, matter of fact my first comment is getting more likes than any of your post. So yes people are agreeing with me. 

What kind of bizarro world are you living in?

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On 6/24/2019 at 8:52 AM, TheRumGone said:

If I remember correctly this was a hotly debated game. All of those things should be taken into account but at the same time Cam needs to make that play on the 2 point conversion. It is what it is. Rivera and funchess did nobody any favors but as the franchise you should be expected to make that game winning throw. So some of the blame should fall on Cam even though we shouldn’t have even been in that situation to begin with.

I think we can all agree on one thing though: be glad funchess is gone. The inconsistencies were mind numbing. He’d put together an incredible game, then next week drop 3-5 passes. I like funchess the person, but the player was unreliable.

Funchess being off this team is going to be a huge positive. Dude was down right lazy with his routes and had bad drops as well.