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[Rubi]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And you stated that because he played in a certain conference, that should be enough to question anything about him at all. That’s what was stupid. Me posting actual facts highly relevant to your statement and disputing that it was a good thing is completely rational with those facts attached. You can use a broad statement with no basis, but I’m wrong for speaking specifically about your comment. 

 I don’t care what you just posted. We are discussing your OP with the BS that started this. How are facts a tantrum? As opposed to the mounds of crap you have flung at the wall hoping to deflect away from your embarrassing comment. 

  I’ve stated many times before why I didn’t like Little. But why do it again. There is absolute nothing I could say that you wouldn’t attack. Of course it’s opinion. But I allow for the FACT that Little could still be very good and I could be very wrong. Something that is the Best-case scenario for me. You, on the other hand, don’t want to hear anything that might suggest that Little could fail. But you keep that logic of yours going...

How about we just agree that my post struck a nerve with you 

we can leave it at that ?

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, Rubi said:

Still waiting on your “facts”...

tell us why he wasn’t a good pick

The facts were what started this. You remember all the SEC LTs that busted after you said playing in the SEC should make any player above reproach. You got your feelings hurt that your theory had no basis and here we are. 

  

[Rubi]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

The facts were what started this. You remember all the SEC LTs that busted after you said playing in the SEC should make any player above reproach. You got your feelings hurt that your theory had no basis and here we are. 

  

In multiple posts now throughout this exchange you’re adding in extra verbiage that I never posted FYI...

[Toomers]

Just now, Rubi said:

In multiple posts now throughout this exchange you’re adding in extra verbiage that I never posted FYI...

I posted your exact quote(copy and paste) 

What would that extra verbiage be? Please share. 

[Rubi]

4 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

First of all lol, when was I ever ignoring you?? Aren’t you one of the people who has complained in the past, asking why I’m always quoting you and targeting you? Not sure if I’m mistakenly lumping you in with the countless others who have expressed those delusions of grandeur. You can certainly choose to ignore me since you seem to be harboring a lot of ill feelings towards me over an extended period. 

What I DO remember about you however (because it was so bizarre) is that you took my word “dismissive” and spent like 9 posts criticizing me for using that word in favor of actually refuting anything I said. So the fact that you’re saying things like “as usual you want to pick a word(s) and argue over something I wasn’t even discussing” is incredibly laughable.

You’re constantly mischaracterizing what he said in his original post. The only descriptive claim he made was that Little was a highly successful LT in the SEC...what is false about that? Outside of those descriptive claims, the only other things he said were that he doesn’t know why people are criticizing Little, and “what more do you want”? To characterize either of those as “false” is quite literally nonsensical.

-”I don’t know why people are criticizing Little” 

-“FALSE”

-“What more can you want?”

-“FALSE”

See how that doesn’t make sense? Then you extrapolated upon that and argued some strawman that he claimed Little is going to be successful. Stating he doesn’t know why Little has received all this criticism is no where in the realm of claiming he’s going to be successful. There’s a difference between touting him as a success before taking a snap, and being excited about him as a prospect because he dominated at the top level of competition in college (which most people would agree is the most significant predictor of success in the NFL). Considering his success at LT in the SEC, it’s odd for so many people to be defaulting to a position of cynicism and skepticism, hence his “what more could you want?”. If you responded to that with a more legitimate point like perhaps his Combine performance, then that would have at least warranted a discussion...but instead you went off on some strange tangent about other SEC LTs.

Now if his original claim was something like “Little was a highly successful LT in the SEC, therefore he will be successful in the NFL”...THEN sure, you would have debunked a “false claim” like you keep repeating. It’s again hypocritical that you’re criticizing us for mischaracterizing or strawmanning your position and you’re doing the same thing. Except his position was pretty clear from the start...I still have absolutely no idea what you are arguing.

Here read this again before bed 

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, Rubi said:

How about we just agree that my post struck a nerve with you 

we can leave it at that ?

Seems it was my response, and the hurt feelings it caused were the real issue. 

[Rubi]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

The facts were what started this. You remember all the SEC LTs that busted after you said playing in the SEC should make any player above reproach. You got your feelings hurt that your theory had no basis and here we are. 

  

Please quote any of my posts with this line ^

[MasterAwesome]

38 minutes ago, Toomers said:

    Let’s make this clear. Ignore me as I do you. I can imagine how someone taking one random word and completely changing the point you were making Frustrating isn’t it. And it seriously took you this long to figure that out. So leave me alone if you don’t like what I say. Or prove it wrong. Something you really stretched to put this on me. Let’s look at this again....without your special context that just overlooks anything that might me correct. 

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Posted yesterday at 08:00 PM

I don’t understand the Little draft pick criticism? He was highly successful as a starting LT in the SEC. 

 wtf else do people want around here, Jesus H

 Can you seriously sit there and try to say this isn’t a shot at ANY criticism stated about Little. That is taking a shot at anyone who doesn’t think Little was a good pick. And it’s emphasized with a Jesus H and a WTF for anyone who dares question him in ANY way. When I posted the facts that 2/3rds of SEC LTs have been epic failures over the past 5 drafts, it was to directly dispute THAT specific comment. And it disputed it quite well. 

 Then suddenly the criteria changed in a panic. But somehow me making one factually correct comment is me stating he’s an automatic bust. Did I not post the successful ones as well? I’m sorry if the truth offended  some  folks , but as I showed....being a successful SEC LT doesn’t mean much towards success in the NFL. 

  Tell you what.... let’s post it in a poll. Let’s see if anyone else took it as a claim that Little would be successful and none of the questions about him had any validity because he played well in the SEC. Because I’m having trouble seeing it any other way without stretching the limits of reality like you did. I’m game. 

Man I’m trying to follow along but everything you post just confuses me more and more. For starters, is this your idea of ignoring me? If it is, then sure I’ll be happy to continue to ignore you in the same manner. What is the one random word I took and changed the point of? That part was never clear to me...I probably should have asked you to clarify that before. And it took me this long to figure what out? That changing words around is frustrating? That wasn’t my sentiment at all...seriously man I feel like I’m talking to the Riddler or something. You’re throwing out so many vague assertions that don’t seem to follow from anything else.

You have continuously tooted your own horn about “proving him wrong” and “debunking his false claim” and whatever other phrasing you’ve used over and over again and I pointed out that there was no such claim in his original post, which you confirmed by quoting it. So is your contention with his harsh language of using “wtf” and “Jesus H”...? That doesn’t make it a claim, you’ve only inferred one from his phrasing. If instead of “wtf else do people want around here, Jesus H”, he wrote “what else could you want?” or something along those lines...then you would be okay with that? Or would there still be a claim there?

If you “debunked” him by presenting some legitimate criticisms of Little (such as his Combine performance, as I previously stated, or his lack of effort in games, as you previously stated like 5 posts into the discourse), instead of presenting some asinine account of previous SEC LT draft picks, then we might actually be having a fruitful discussion right now. Instead of attacking this hypothetical argument of him not allowing any critiques of Little, why don’t you actually present a critique and see how it plays out?? Then if he completely dismisses it and responds with “you’re dumb, Greg Little is gonna be a future HOF...Jesus H” then you were right all along and I will bow to you.

[Toomers]

Just now, Rubi said:

Please quote any of my posts with this line ^

WTF...what more could you people ask for? Jesus H. 

  What does that mean then? Following a statement that you don’t understand criticism of Little. 

[Rubi]

Yeh, I admit, unfounded criticism of a 21-22 year old who had a great college career is a head scratcher for me. Let alone in the top conference in the country.

 

i really don’t care about players from years past in relation to Greg Little. They landed on shitty teams most of them at the time that lacked talent around them. Also, Maybe sometimes teams just miss in the draft. It happens. 

[Rubi]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

WTF...what more could you people ask for? Jesus H. 

  What does that mean then? Following a statement that you don’t understand criticism of Little. 

Yeh exactly. You interpreted it the way you wanted. Not the actual point though like Master has clearly explained already multiple times now. 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Man I’m trying to follow along but everything you post just confuses me more and more. For starters, is this your idea of ignoring me? If it is, then sure I’ll be happy to continue to ignore you in the same manner. What is the one random word I took and changed the point of? That part was never clear to me...I probably should have asked you to clarify that before. And it took me this long to figure what out? That changing words around is frustrating? That wasn’t my sentiment at all...seriously man I feel like I’m talking to the Riddler or something. You’re throwing out so many vague assertions that don’t seem to follow from anything else.

You have continuously tooted your own horn about “proving him wrong” and “debunking his false claim” and whatever other phrasing you’ve used over and over again and I pointed out that there was no such claim in his original post, which you confirmed by quoting it. So is your contention with his harsh language of using “wtf” and “Jesus H”...? That doesn’t make it a claim, you’ve only inferred one from his phrasing. If instead of “wtf else do people want around here, Jesus H”, he wrote “what else could you want?” or something along those lines...then you would be okay with that? Or would there still be a claim there?

If you “debunked” him by presenting some legitimate criticisms of Little (such as his Combine performance, as I previously stated, or his lack of effort in games, as you previously stated like 5 posts into the discourse), instead of presenting some asinine account of previous SEC LT draft picks, then we might actually be having a fruitful discussion right now. Instead of attacking this hypothetical argument of him not allowing any critiques of Little, why don’t you actually present a critique and see how it plays out?? Then if he completely dismisses it and responds with “you’re dumb, Greg Little is gonna be a future HOF...Jesus H” then you were right all along and I will bow to you.

  You quoted me first. You’re confused because you read what you wanted it to say to start an argument. 

  When a person states, directly, that a player shouldn’t be criticized because playing at a high level in the SEC should be enough for anyone. WTF. Jesus H. But that’s not enough....OK. 

 And what would be more relevant to that statement than recent draft history. Which is all I posted. How is it not relevant? And like I asked him.....what opinion do you want to hear? You think he will succeed...I don’t. We spent months going over this. We are all just waiting now. And how does any of that “debunk” his statement more than what I posted? I’m sure me saying he has horrible feet and poor effort and has gotten by on reputation more than merit would be treated like gospel. If I post opinions you want facts. 

  

[Rubi]

So are you saying Little is a bad athlete ?

[Rubi]

I’m just glad the team is attempting to find guys who had outstanding college careers against high level competition. 

Really hard to ask for much more than that