For all the crap given Poe

[top dawg]

Dontari Poe certainly had a disappointing season when juxtaposed against expectations when he was signed. I mean, the 66th best tackle (according to PFF) was not what we thought we were getting. That being said, PFF still graded his play as "above average." The man still is an effective space eater, had four tackles for loss, 17 tackles and a sack last season. You know whose grade was a little worse, as well as his stats at 17 tackles and one pass defensed? The man Poe replaced, Star Lotulelei. PFF graded him as "average," and even suggested that the Bills upgrade him by going after Sheldon Richardson earlier this off-season. 

I guess that I say all this to say that I'd rather have Poe than Lotulelei. If nothing else, Poe gives off the demeanor as a guy that wants to improve, and with the players that he has flanking him, I wouldn't bet against him making a leap his second year in Charlotte.

[Ivan The Awesome]

"gives off the demeanor of wanting to improve."

 

I never saw Star not doing the same...

[KneelingCamFan]

There was a play that I saw in that Cleveland Browns game last year, where POE didnt even look like he was trying to rush the QB.  I think the Brows scored on that play. Need to see a little bit more out of him this year..i think the move to the 3-4 will help.

[top dawg]

24 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

"gives off the demeanor of wanting to improve."

 

I never saw Star not doing the same...

Perhaps it's just Star's way, but I questioned if he even wanted to be here from his initial presser, and honestly (in my opinion), he never really changed. I've heard others say something similar about him. 

All that aside, I think that Poe was an upgrade, even if his season was disappointing. 

[Seltzer]

15 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Perhaps it's just Star's way, but I questioned if he even wanted to be here from his initial presser, and honestly (in my opinion), he never really changed. I've heard others say something similar about him. 

All that aside, I think that Poe was an upgrade, even if his season was disappointing. 

Agreed. I was happy with the Star pick, and pairing him and Short with CJ/Hardy/Addison turned our defensive line into an elite unit in 2013.

I dont know if it was Short outshining him or what (although he never said anything publicly), but I never once got the impression he really liked it here. 

He did come in and do his job professionally, but he also never seemed to want any part of being a leader.

He is well on his way to having a successful NFL career in terms of longevity and financially, but I dont think he ever had the drive to be a truly elite player

[KendrickPanther]

Star was never a ra ra guy. He was a soft spoken family man. I wouldn't question his effort though. He had some injuries below the knee that slowed him in recent years.

[Lumps]

PFF defining space eater as tackle for loss, pressures and sacks? Poe and Star are not meant for those and never were. Well, except the tackles for loss or really just stopping the inside runs.

They’re on the team to demand attention. To be held up so they don’t collapse the pocket.

The true skill of star in KKs best year was his demand for a double team. He was double teamed nearly the whole damn season and KK and Luke were left to feast. If he was not double teamed the QB was not going to be stepping up in that pocket. That’s the definition of a space eater. Those double teams and eating blockers won’t be on stat sheets though.

Poe has not demanded anything since his time here. He’s been average and the defenses we have faced have focused on KK and Luke and it’s shown.

[Toomers]

9 minutes ago, KendrickPanther said:

Star was never a ra ra guy. He was a soft spoken family man. I wouldn't question his effort though. He had some injuries below the knee that slowed him in recent years.

   DTs their size don’t age well, usually. It was a desperate need and good pick that helped Luke tremendously. But most regress around second contract time. Which is why I don’t think Gettleman ever planned on extending him. And neither did Hurney. That contract BUF gave Star was ridiculous. Teams aren’t paying for run stopping NT types. 

  But this has nothing to do with Poe and just Star. There were some many options other than either player. Including whatever plan there was when we spent the same money on Breeland. There had to be something in mind. 

[t96]

I agree with you about Poe and we need to give him a better chance than we have thus far, however let’s steer clear of bashing Star... Him being out in 2014 (along with the commissioner’s exempt list nonsense) was the reason we lost to Seattle in the playoffs when I think despite our record we had a shot at it all that year. And he always played hard here and was an extraordinary teammate and player despite not having big numbers. I understand why we let him walk but I can’t say I don’t miss him a little bit.

[Basbear]

The only reason I prefer Poe over star is the contract is 3 million less this year and you can cut Poe after this year with minimum impact. Star got more years before that happens. neither is living up to contracts, you can cut ties faster with Poe tho. 

[Pimpdaddy]

Star found what he was looking for... a payday on our farm team...the Buffalo Bills... he never aspired to be great..even after we took a chance on him when he was choking on his heart...  Donitari Ho should be embarrassed for getting  blowed off the line by 5yds consistently ....how does that happen, his ass is 4ft wide...

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

I agree with you about Poe and we need to give him a better chance than we have thus far, however let’s steer clear of bashing Star... Him being out in 2014 (along with the commissioner’s exempt list nonsense) was the reason we lost to Seattle in the playoffs when I think despite our record we had a shot at it all that year. And he always played hard here and was an extraordinary teammate and player despite not having big numbers. I understand why we let him walk but I can’t say I don’t miss him a little bit.

I get you, but I don't think I am bashing Star as much as pointing out that Poe was better. There were people suggesting that Star was better, and seemingly  in response to Poe's play. The stats and the grade refute that on its face. As for my thoughts on Star's demeanor, it's.nothing that hasn't been said before.

[Ship]

Star played with effort and was a professional here. Idk why he seemed to regress statistically here, but I don't think it was a lack of effort. Just the way it went. Maybe injuries to an extent.

But Star didn't seem to care about being here, which kinda sucked more than whether he was good or not. For a guy we were all so hyped on, he didn't leave a mark here at all, which is weird for someone of his talent. He doesn't make me mad, just makes me feel blank.

I'm not gonna expect much of Poe. Not sure if he can play at noticeably high level here anymore or not, but we just need a body who won't get pushed around. We've gotta hope McCoy brings some fire and KK gets back to producing.

[MHS831]

we need to draft a DT next year.  And sign one. 

I look at Poe's performance by assessing Luke and KK.