The question of Bradberry

[Seoul_Panther]

While it’s completely reasonable to question his consistency, it is encouraging to read in Wednesday’s camp notes that he is enjoying pressing at the line in practice as opposed to the cushions which our CBs have surrendered in recent times. So it’s possible we will play to his strengths more this year.

[Ricky Spanish]

21 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I disagree about schemes somewhat. He has shown some outstanding ability in the past schemes. His biggest problem is consistency in my opinion, and I am personally not concerned with the interceptions as much as the TDs and chunk plays. Now I am not suggesting that he won't play better in other schemes, but what I will say is that in my opinion that's not really an excuse for his giving up big plays. Moreover, I don't know that his skills would be that hard to replace on the open market. I'd have to actually look at who is projected to be available before I agree with that claim.

I can only really remember giving up one big play last season against Pittsburgh against Juju where he blew coverage. Other than that, Can't really think of anything. Detroit he got beat a few times but they were on absolute dimes and perfectly placed throws that I couldn't really fault him on as his coverage was great. Cleveland, Jackson/Adams/Munnerlyn were getting burned all day. Philly, he got beat on a great route by Jeffrey, but I think he was expecting safety help there. 

I might have missed some, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. 

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I can only really remember giving up one big play last season against Pittsburgh against Juju where he blew coverage. Other than that, Can't really think of anything. Detroit he got beat a few times but they were on absolute dimes and perfectly placed throws that I couldn't really fault him on as his coverage was great. Cleveland, Jackson/Adams/Munnerlyn were getting burned all day. Philly, he got beat on a great route by Jeffrey, but I think he was expecting safety help there. 

I might have missed some, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. 

 Bradberry looks like a great DB vs the NFCS and they are loaded with top tier WRs.  

What gets confusing is he pretty much looks like a different DB vs everyone else IMO.  

weird. 

[jumpman910]

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

 Bradberry looks like a great DB vs the NFCS and they are loaded with top tier WRs.  

What gets confusing is he pretty much looks like a different DB vs everyone else IMO.  

weird. 

Julio, Sanu, MT, and Evans are all big bodied wr, that fits Bradberry style of play. 

AJ Green also was contained for the most part last season against the Bengals 

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

Julio, Sanu, MT, and Evans are all big bodied wr, that fits Bradberry style of play. 

AJ Green also was contained for the most part last season against the Bengals 

yeah, I haven't been able to figure out if it is just body size or maybe familiarity (which might lean toward needing more film room work being an issue.  as at a certain point, after playing certain WRs so consistently he simply knows them)because some of those big body WRs also got flat out juice/speed. 

 

[Mage]

Just now, CRA said:

yeah, I haven't been able to figure out if it is just body size or maybe familiarity (which might lean toward needing more film room work being an issue.  as at a certain point, after playing certain WRs so consistently he simply knows them)because some of those big body WRs also got flat out juice/speed. 

 

It was kinda the same with Norman though.  Even in 2015 speedsters would toast him sometimes ala Hilton

Could be a scheme thing

[panthers55]

Let's see what Fewell can do with him. I expect him to have a good year and thrive in our system this year.

[AU-panther]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

Perhaps, but do you pay him now, or later? Plus, you must remember that Next Gen stats aren't the only means of grading. Probably the number one analytics grading comes from PFF (to the dismay of some). 

How does his PFF grade look for the last three years?  I tend to agree with your comments about the inconsistency, sometimes I think his reputation around here is built off of his rookie year and the occasionally really good game.

The problem these days is players aren't paid based on how they compare with others at their position.  The get paid based on the last contract given to the same position of a player fairly close in ability.

For example, if he is considered the 14th best CB he isn't going to get the 14th highest contract, he will get paid as much as the most recent above average CB that got a new contract, which might make him the 4th highest CB for example.

 

[Pup McBarky]

Unless he gets hurt, Bradberry will command a top 10 cb salary after this year. We may be able to get him a little cheaper than that now, just depends on his agent. But make no mistake, nobody in the league is ignorant about his skills. Bradberry is a solid corner that every other team in the league will be happy to pay if we pass.

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, jb2288 said:

Man that's enough for me. You don't 'give up' on the 14th best corner in the league. Especially since you generally need 3 in the modern NFL

Consider that he was usually matched up on some stud #1 WRs--the NFC South has 3 good ones.

[beastson]

Hurney shouldn't pay big for any defensive player Gettleman drafted moving forward.

 

[34yearoldsafety]

My favorite quote for Brad(Barely) is "Always there, but never there". He's very good at press/man to man coverage and always seems to be in the vicinity of any receiver, whether its Julio, Mike Evans, Thomas, OBJ, etc. However, he almost never makes a play on the ball. It's almost as if he takes pride in the DB participation trophy of getting a bunch of tackles. These weird stats that they have for him are misleading, outside of his lack of interceptions, 5 since joining the team (two of which were basically punts).

[panthers55]

Not trying to.make excuses for Bradberry but let's be real. Guys laying 10 yards off the defender on 3rd and three makes no sense. Playing zone on 3 and 25 might sound ok but if you let him catch it 26 yards down the field that is crazy . Our secondary has been inconsistent but I can't say it is the players more than the coaches. I trust Fewell to fix this. Bradberry is not the problem in my book.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

How does his PFF grade look for the last three years?  I tend to agree with your comments about the inconsistency, sometimes I think his reputation around here is built off of his rookie year and the occasionally really good game.

The problem these days is players aren't paid based on how they compare with others at their position.  The get paid based on the last contract given to the same position of a player fairly close in ability.

For example, if he is considered the 14th best CB he isn't going to get the 14th highest contract, he will get paid as much as the most recent above average CB that got a new contract, which might make him the 4th highest CB for example.

 

He rated out good his first year (20th best actually), then dropped to poor in 2017 and above average in 2018. To me, that doesn't mean he is worth top 10 CB money. He wasn't even a top 25 CB according to PFF last year (60th). Again, that doesn't indicate top 10 money to me. The fact that we have good receivers in the division is nice, but all the divisions have good receivers, and it's his job to cover them. After all, he was a second round pick. I think that if he is paid top 10 CB money without actually showing it, then we're being fiscally irresponsible. I don't have a problem giving him a contract that's commensurate with his play, but like you I question why a seemingly solid number of Huddlers wants to overpay him. He hasn't earned a top 10 or even a top 15 contract as far as I'm concerned. He is probably somewhere between 20 and 35 when you look at everything.