Film breakdown of Rashaan Gaulden

[LinvilleGorge]

53 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think you are making a big assumption about Boston and Berry's cost. No one actually knows what they are asking for.

Yeah, based on Boston's comments, it seems like there's a wide gulf between what he thinks he's worth and what NFL GMs think he's worth. At this point, Boston and Berry are likely best off sitting around and waiting on either someone to get hurt creating a need or for a young guy to fail to pan out in camp creating a need. They should know their current market value.

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, SetfreexX said:

_Gaulden is a hard player to peg, I see it this way if you are playing pre-dominantly at Nickel in college I'd have to question your ability in space, then when we add in the combine numbers I'd have to question it even further. I don't think too many of us would mind a ''4th - 7th Round Project'' for the FS position. Most people consider 3rd Round selections starters, early depth, not long term projects. 

I have done a little casual research over the years, and I can say with surety that the draft is pretty much a crap shoot, but particularly after the second round. By the time that you get to the third round, all bets are off. You certainly don't have to take my word for it, but I've read several articles and have seen several charts and graphs that are indicative of my beliefs about the matter. Here is just one of many:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.milehighreport.com/platform/amp/2014/5/13/5713996/how-long-does-the-average-draft-pick-stick-around

 

As you can see, third rounders start with high expectations, but the reality is is that after the second year, they are going the way of the other rounds. 

Interestingly, which this graph doesn't include, UDFAs have similar success to rounds 3-7.

So, sure, Huddlers might be expecting a third rounder to be a starter (much like a first and second rounder), but a third rounder is closer to a project than not, so perhaps "most people" need to reset their expectations.

 

Another article you might want to take a look at: https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round

"After you get past the success rates of the first two rounds (64% in the first, 46% in the second), there isn't a huge difference in success (24% - 3rd, 11% - 4th, 17% - 5th, 8% - 6th, 11% - 7th)"

[CPcavedweller]

20 hours ago, 45catfan said:

It seems Gaulden has a LB or SS mentality, as long as things are in front of him and he's able to play downhill, he's fine.  However when he's has to drop in coverage, he seems timid.  That's one thing you can't have is a FS that is unsure of his coverage skills.

He doesn't have the body type. We are asking him to be Kam Chancellor with the body of Demiere Byrd. 

[top dawg]

13 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

He doesn't have the body type. We are asking him to be Kam Chancellor with the body of Demiere Byrd. 

Come on, man. Gaulden is not nearly as small as Byrd, and is in fact right around the size of the average DB in the NFL.

[mc52beast]

I’m hoping the staff is able to have patience with this kid, you can see the potential is there. Would hate to see him go somewhere else and be successful

[SetfreexX]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but you are assuming that what he wants is going to be in that range again. He may be perfectly content waiting until some team has an injury and then they get desperate enough to throw a bigger number out there.

Not to mention, I would not be surprised if we wanted no part of Boston because he had some run ins with the coaching staff last time he was here.

Berry is probably going to have to wait until he can pass a physical. He may not be at that stage yet.

I don't expect us to do much at FS unless there is an injury. Not saying I agree, that just seems to be what we plan on doing.

I think Boston's issue was speaking out about the kneeling issues under JR's ownership, I don't recall any coaching issues, could be wrong but going off memory. 

Also back on the contract talk, what he thinks he's worth and what he will be offered are two different things, here's a breakdown -- https://overthecap.com/player/tre-boston/3067/

So in SD he made - 900 K (had a break out year by comparison to his previous)

Then in ARI he made - 1.5M a modest bump in salary based on the ''break out'' year. 

I'm sorry but for me there just isn't enough history / NFL trend to expect a large pay day, he can want what he wants, but the offers are likely not to be multiple in years, and I can't see a salary over 2M - 3M which doesn't break the bank for any team. And at that clip I'd be surprised to see him cost that much. 

I'd personally stand by a contract offer in the range of what he made in SD if he receives an offer heading into TC.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, SetfreexX said:

I think Boston's issue was speaking out about the kneeling issues under JR's ownership, I don't recall any coaching issues, could be wrong but going off memory. 

Also back on the contract talk, what he thinks he's worth and what he will be offered are two different things, here's a breakdown -- https://overthecap.com/player/tre-boston/3067/

So in SD he made - 900 K (had a break out year by comparison to his previous)

Then in ARI he made - 1.5M a modest bump in salary based on the ''break out'' year. 

I'm sorry but for me there just isn't enough history / NFL trend to expect a large pay day, he can want what he wants, but the offers are likely not to be multiple in years, and I can't see a salary over 2M - 3M which doesn't break the bank for any team. And at that clip I'd be surprised to see him cost that much. 

I'd personally stand by a contract offer in the range of what he made in SD if he receives an offer heading into TC.

He probably is going the better route and trying to catch a team with an emergency need. I imagine he can get contracts that small at almost any point.

[Moo Daeng]

3 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

He doesn't have the body type. We are asking him to be Kam Chancellor with the body of Demiere Byrd. 

That's an absurd double exaggeration 

[CPcavedweller]

5 hours ago, top dawg said:

Come on, man. Gaulden is not nearly as small as Byrd, and is in fact right around the size of the average DB in the NFL.

We want him to be Chancellor...Chancellor was the size of a LB with the speed of a DB. How much does Eric Berry want? 

[CPcavedweller]

2 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

That's an absurd double exaggeration 

The position he is tasked with playing is similar to what Kam Chancellor was asked to do. That isn't an exaggeration.

His metrics say he is 6'1 201 but he carries his weight more like 6'1 185 or so. The proof is in the pictures, bruh. 

[CPcavedweller]

5 hours ago, top dawg said:

I have done a little casual research over the years, and I can say with surety that the draft is pretty much a crap shoot, but particularly after the second round. By the time that you get to the third round, all bets are off. You certainly don't have to take my word for it, but I've read several articles and have seen several charts and graphs that are indicative of my beliefs about the matter. Here is just one of many:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.milehighreport.com/platform/amp/2014/5/13/5713996/how-long-does-the-average-draft-pick-stick-around

 

As you can see, third rounders start with high expectations, but the reality is is that after the second year, they are going the way of the other rounds. 

Interestingly, which this graph doesn't include, UDFAs have similar success to rounds 3-7.

So, sure, Huddlers might be expecting a third rounder to be a starter (much like a first and second rounder), but a third rounder is closer to a project than not, so perhaps "most people" need to reset their expectations.

 

Another article you might want to take a look at: https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round

"After you get past the success rates of the first two rounds (64% in the first, 46% in the second), there isn't a huge difference in success (24% - 3rd, 11% - 4th, 17% - 5th, 8% - 6th, 11% - 7th)"

Gaulden is the definition of a project. He is Charles Godfrey reincarnate and that didn't go too well.