Recognition for KK, Turner, and Moton

[CPcavedweller]

ESPN created a metric by which they can measure the success of the players in the trench. The two measures are Pass Rush Win Rate and Pass Block Win Rate. 

• Pass Rush Win Rate
  • The player gets a win if they beat their blocks by 2.5 seconds as measured by chips worn in the players pads
    • They have a loss if they are unable to beat their blocks in 2.5 seconds
  • Rate is determined by totaling wins and losses and obtaining a ratio (percentage)
• Pass Block Win Rate
  • The player gets a win if they hold their blocks for 2.5 seconds as measured by chips won in the players pads
    • They have a loss if they fail to sustain their block for 2.5 seconds
  • Rate is determined by totaling the wins against the losses and obtaining a ratio (percentage)

The 2.5 seconds used by ESPN is judged to be the average time from snap to pass for the NFL. I have to assume that the player reaches a certain depth on the defensive side to get a win, considering ESPN is simply evaluating results that a computer spits out based on the parameters assigned; in other words, it isn't artificial intelligence because humans assign the parameters and the computer does no additional learning beyond what it's programmed to do (AI doesn't exist, per the definition of the technology).

In 2018, Kawaan Short had the third highest Pass Rush Win Rate in the NFL with a PRWR of 34%. Aaron Donald was first at a whopping 46% and Chris Jones (Chiefs) was second at 35%.

Trai Turner had the highest PBWR for guards with 88% and Taylor Moton was the 4th rated tackle at 89%.

The Panthers overall had the number one rated Pass Rush Win Rate and number nine overall Pass Block Win Rate. It would seem that while the Panthers were beating their blocks, it was likely skewed in favor of only two or three guys who had trouble getting home because Washington called blitz plays what seemed like 75% of the time. Pittsburgh is a great example of this. Our defensive line could beat the offensive line, but the area vacated by the linebacker would be open all day for the hot route, which Pittsburgh exploited dutifully. 

 

ESPN+ PRWR//PBWR

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, CPcavedweller said:

ESPN created a metric by which they can measure the success of the players in the trench. The two measures are Pass Rush Win Rate and Pass Block Win Rate. 

• Pass Rush Win Rate
  • The player gets a win if they beat their blocks by 2.5 seconds as measured by chips worn in the players pads
    • They have a loss if they are unable to beat their blocks in 2.5 seconds
  • Rate is determined by totaling wins and losses and obtaining a ratio (percentage)
• Pass Block Win Rate
  • The player gets a win if they hold their blocks for 2.5 seconds as measured by chips won in the players pads
    • They have a loss if they fail to sustain their block for 2.5 seconds
  • Rate is determined by totaling the wins against the losses and obtaining a ratio (percentage)

The 2.5 seconds used by ESPN is judged to be the average time from snap to pass for the NFL. I have to assume that the player reaches a certain depth on the defensive side to get a win, considering ESPN is simply evaluating results that a computer spits out based on the parameters assigned; in other words, it isn't artificial intelligence because humans assign the parameters and the computer does no additional learning beyond what it's programmed to do (AI doesn't exist, per the definition of the technology).

In 2018, Kawaan Short had the third highest Pass Rush Win Rate in the NFL with a PRWR of 34%. Aaron Donald was first at a whopping 46% and Chris Jones (Chiefs) was second at 35%.

Trai Turner had the highest PBWR for guards with 88% and Taylor Moton was the 4th rated tackle at 89%.

The Panthers overall had the number one rated Pass Rush Win Rate and number nine overall Pass Block Win Rate. It would seem that while the Panthers were beating their blocks, it was likely skewed in favor of only two or three guys who had trouble getting home because Washington called blitz plays what seemed like 75% of the time. Pittsburgh is a great example of this. Our defensive line could beat the offensive line, but the area vacated by the linebacker would be open all day for the hot route, which Pittsburgh exploited dutifully. 

 

ESPN+ PRWR//PBWR

Perfect example of what I said earlier in another thread. No d line is going to get sacks if the quarterback has 3 open receivers to throw to right off the bat for a 5 yard gain.

[PanthersAddict]

I saw that post earlier, and thought this is spot on!!!

I also wanted to say, to the people that keep saying our line was trash, here's your proof!!! We can be elite, when we're not playing that soft zone crap. And it was way predictable!

Hence the reason for multi d looks this season, it was basically, for the opposing QB who's blitzing, Luke or Shaq, and that's where the balls going. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Any system that had the Panthers ranked #1 in pass rush win rate last season is insanely flawed. There's a reason why we drafted two edge rushers, signed another, and also signed a big money DL pass rusher. Our pass rush sucked last year. Period.

[CPcavedweller]

11 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Any system that had the Panthers ranked #1 in pass rush win rate last season is insanely flawed. There's a reason why we drafted two edge rushers, signed another, and also signed a big money DL pass rusher. Our pass rush sucked last year. Period.

We blitzed a lot resulting in guys beating the defensive line. However, as the game in Pittsburgh shows (which I noted in the actual post), teams adjusted. Washington took Luke out of probably 15 plays that game by sending him on the same A, B gap blitz which vacated the middle of the field. McDonald or Connor would chip and go sit in that empty space each time. We were winning the match-ups but it didn't matter because the play design was flawed. 

Thus, our pass rush actually wasn't that bad but the back end planning and adjustments were piss poor. The evidence is in Rivera's own words, "we want to mix up looks more to become more unpredictable." We became so predictable that despite winning our match-ups our second and third levels were being exposed by vacated coverage zones. 

That's the truth, sir. 

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

We blitzed a lot resulting in guys beating the defensive line. However, as the game in Pittsburgh shows (which I noted in the actual post), teams adjusted. Washington took Luke out of probably 15 plays that game by sending him on the same A, B gap blitz which vacated the middle of the field. McDonald or Connor would chip and go sit in that empty space each time. We were winning the match-ups but it didn't matter because the play design was flawed. 

Thus, our pass rush actually wasn't that bad but the back end planning and adjustments were piss poor. The evidence is in Rivera's own words, "we want to mix up looks more to become more unpredictable." We became so predictable that despite winning our match-ups our second and third levels were being exposed by vacated coverage zones. 

That's the truth, sir. 

Sounds good in theory, but sorry, watching the games I saw QBs consistently stand tall in clean pockets for as long as they needed and/or wanted to stand there. The rush was non-existent. Not saying there weren't issues on the back end too because there definitely were, but Ron's defenses always have and always will have issues on the back end because his preference is to focus on the front seven, both schematically and in the investment of resources.

[CPcavedweller]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Sounds good in theory, but sorry, watching the games I saw QBs consistently stand tall in clean pockets for as long as they needed and/or wanted to stand there. The rush was non-existent. Not saying there weren't issues on the back end too because there definitely were, but Ron's defenses always have and always will have issues on the back end because his preference is to focus on the front seven, both schematically and in the investment of resources.

We play a zone, if the QB has enough time someone is going to come open, that's a fact of life no matter who is playing DB. Go back and watch the Steelers game if you can stomach it. Count the number of times Luke blitzes on third down and the number of times Ben knew it was coming. 

Our pass rush wasn't that bad. It was the schematic of the backend which is why Rivera took over play calling.