McCoy is a Panther

[FakePlasticTrees]

19 minutes ago, Green_Tea said:

All Saints fans keep saying about this is "thought he wanted to go to a contender"

 

Originality is not their forte.

[45catfan]

Let Brees blow out his throwing shoulder half way though the season see what their record ends up being, okay?  It's not like our team was garbage last year.  The defense was on the field way too much because the offense was increasing inept as Cam's arm got worse off and opposing teams figured out they didn't have to worry about the deep ball.  You don't go 6-2 if the team is horrible. I don't wish injury on anyone, but if Brees does in fact miss some games and they lose those games, I guess the rest of the Saints team will become garbage?

[Moo Daeng]

Saint's fans say a lot of unintelligible things. It's their heritage. Who cares.

[trucpfan]

 

 

17 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

I watch more than my fair share of football. I only use stats to strengthen the argument of what my eyes are seeing. As a 3-tech, McCoy is going to line up on the outside shoulder of the LG nearly every snap in base personnel and being on the "weakside" of the line, not going to face many double teams anyway. Since Peat has started at LG for us, McCoy hasn't registered a sack and has only 6 QB hits in 7 games, so slightly less than 1 hit per game on average.

The Poe-McCoy matchup would be more worth noting considering McCoy is a rookie.

Ayeee! Finally someone that doesn't take posting on a message board as "serious bidness"! And that's alright, I'll still beer you anyway.

**** the Falcons!

Ok so back to the same stats that don’t actually represent two pro bowlers on the same front so ok playing on weak Tampa line he hasn’t gotten to Brees who is I think least sacked QB-actually looked it up real quick 3rd last year and second 2017 in least amount of sacks. So yea that’s a good argument Brees is rarely sacked overall so you sound good making those points about a weak d line with one probowl player. I’m thinking more of our Hardy/CJ days hike meet at the QB Brees getting rocked left and right. Guess we’ll see this fall.

[ColumbusCounty]

11 minutes ago, trucpfan said:

 

 

Ok so back to the same stats that don’t actually represent two pro bowlers on the same front so ok playing on weak Tampa line he hasn’t gotten to Brees who is I think least sacked QB-actually looked it up real quick 3rd last year and second 2017 in least amount of sacks. So yea that’s a good argument Brees is rarely sacked overall so you sound good making those points about a weak d line with one probowl player. I’m thinking more of our Hardy/CJ days hike meet at the QB Brees getting rocked left and right. Guess we’ll see this fall.

Bress doesn't get sacked alot because he releases the ball too quick..and when the pressure does arrive he tends to throw the ball at the turf near the closest receiver to avoid it.. It doesn't hurt that his receivers are coached to attack the ball every play. There is a vast difference between a Funchess and a Thomas.

[Iron Saint]

11 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Let Brees blow out his throwing shoulder half way though the season see what their record ends up being, okay?  It's not like our team was garbage last year.  The defense was on the field way too much because the offense was increasing inept as Cam's arm got worse off and opposing teams figured out they didn't have to worry about the deep ball.  You don't go 6-2 if the team is horrible. I don't wish injury on anyone, but if Brees does in fact miss some games and they lose those games, I guess the rest of the Saints team will become garbage?

If Brees goes down, our record is going to be "TUA" and 14.

11 hours ago, trucpfan said:

Ok so back to the same stats that don’t actually represent two pro bowlers on the same front so ok playing on weak Tampa line he hasn’t gotten to Brees who is I think least sacked QB-actually looked it up real quick 3rd last year and second 2017 in least amount of sacks. So yea that’s a good argument Brees is rarely sacked overall so you sound good making those points about a weak d line with one probowl player. I’m thinking more of our Hardy/CJ days hike meet at the QB Brees getting rocked left and right. Guess we’ll see this fall.

Who he's playing next to doesn't matter because McCoy (a 3-tech) is rarely being doubleteamed anyway purely out of the design of the front. The 0-tech/1-tech (or NT) will see the doubleteams because he's closer to the strongside of the line. So unless y'all plan to play him out of position or we have an injury to either Peat or Armstead (Peat is our back-up LT), he'll be 1-on-1 with Peat a vast majority of the snaps.

11 hours ago, ColumbusCounty said:

Bress doesn't get sacked alot because he releases the ball too quick..and when the pressure does arrive he tends to throw the ball at the turf near the closest receiver to avoid it.. It doesn't hurt that his receivers are coached to attack the ball every play. There is a vast difference between a Funchess and a Thomas.

[trucpfan]

2 hours ago, ncfan said:

 

 

Dam im ready to see this defense!!!

 

6 minutes ago, Iron Saint said:

If Brees goes down, our record is going to be "TUA" and 14.

Who he's playing next to doesn't matter because McCoy (a 3-tech) is rarely being doubleteamed anyway purely out of the design of the front. The 0-tech/1-tech (or NT) will see the doubleteams because he's closer to the strongside of the line. So unless y'all plan to play him out of position or we have an injury to either Peat or Armstead (Peat is our back-up LT), he'll be 1-on-1 with Peat a vast majority of the snaps.

See above article I’m down for a good debate but you claiming those two playing together doesn’t matter muuuhahahahaha (in my villain voice) man yous gots to be shittin me.

[Iron Saint]

9 minutes ago, trucpfan said:

 

See above article I’m down for a good debate but you claiming those two playing together doesn’t matter muuuhahahahaha (in my villain voice) man yous gots to be shittin me.

If McCoy played a position that is regularly doubleteamed (say like NT), I'd be in 100% agreement with you that playing next to Short and Poe would make it easier for him to produce compared to what he did the last few years in Tampa Bay.

However, from what I can deduce, he'll be playing the same position (at 3-tech) and going against Peat 1-on-1 most the time, just as he did in Tampa Bay.

Poe (as y'all NT) will see the bulk of double teams against McCoy and Warford, but will see 1-on-1's with McCoy when extra blitzers need to be accounted for.

Short (as y'all 3/4i/4/5-tech) will see a lot of 1-on-1's with Ramczyk as he has the previous 2 years and occasionally with Warford when y'all kick him inside (like we do with Cam Jordan) and line up another DE outside of him (as y'all have previously done with Horton).

Addison (as y'all 7-tech) will see a lot of 1-on-1's with Armstead (if Armstead can stay healthy) as he has in the past too.

Poe will undoubtedly face the most doubleteams against our line due to having a rookie center. When Poe isn't being doubleteamed, I'd guess it would be Short seeing the next most attention, especially when he kicks inside.

Both Addison and McCoy are exceptional players that can demand additional attention, but we've been more than comfortable leaving both Armstead and Peat out on islands against opposing teams' WDE and 3-techs, respectively, and letting them use their length to their advantage.

But I did enjoy the article, I appreciate you sharing the tweet/link. If McCoy (ours) isn't as settled in as we'd like by our first matchup in November, that Bear front with Short/Poe/McCoy can certainly pose some problems as it'd force McCoy (ours) into a lot of 1-on-1's with Poe. With Unger I'd feel more confident but as it stands with an unproven rookie, it could be ugly.

[steven8989]

13 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

If Brees goes down, our record is going to be "TUA" and 14.

Who he's playing next to doesn't matter because McCoy (a 3-tech) is rarely being doubleteamed anyway purely out of the design of the front. The 0-tech/1-tech (or NT) will see the doubleteams because he's closer to the strongside of the line. So unless y'all plan to play him out of position or we have an injury to either Peat or Armstead (Peat is our back-up LT), he'll be 1-on-1 with Peat a vast majority of the snaps.

TUA is garbage. I would love to see y'all get him and keep on sucking for years to come.

[Iron Saint]

8 hours ago, steven8989 said:

TUA is garbage. I would love to see y'all get him and keep on sucking for years to come.

But nah, we'd probably pick up some castoff QB with a hurt shoulder from another team. That one worked before.

Or maybe by then we'll have Brees' head and stream of conscious attached to a cyborg body and will have a seamless transition.

[Snake]

Saints about to get dismantled on offense this year. We have built this team to win it all.

[steven8989]

39 minutes ago, Snake said:

Saints about to get dismantled on offense this year. We have built this team to win it all.

[Moo Daeng]

On 6/5/2019 at 11:27 PM, Iron Saint said:

If McCoy played a position that is regularly doubleteamed (say like NT), I'd be in 100% agreement with you that playing next to Short and Poe would make it easier for him to produce compared to what he did the last few years in Tampa Bay.

However, from what I can deduce, he'll be playing the same position (at 3-tech) and going against Peat 1-on-1 most the time, just as he did in Tampa Bay.

Poe (as y'all NT) will see the bulk of double teams against McCoy and Warford, but will see 1-on-1's with McCoy when extra blitzers need to be accounted for.

Short (as y'all 3/4i/4/5-tech) will see a lot of 1-on-1's with Ramczyk as he has the previous 2 years and occasionally with Warford when y'all kick him inside (like we do with Cam Jordan) and line up another DE outside of him (as y'all have previously done with Horton).

Addison (as y'all 7-tech) will see a lot of 1-on-1's with Armstead (if Armstead can stay healthy) as he has in the past too.

Poe will undoubtedly face the most doubleteams against our line due to having a rookie center. When Poe isn't being doubleteamed, I'd guess it would be Short seeing the next most attention, especially when he kicks inside.

Both Addison and McCoy are exceptional players that can demand additional attention, but we've been more than comfortable leaving both Armstead and Peat out on islands against opposing teams' WDE and 3-techs, respectively, and letting them use their length to their advantage.

But I did enjoy the article, I appreciate you sharing the tweet/link. If McCoy (ours) isn't as settled in as we'd like by our first matchup in November, that Bear front with Short/Poe/McCoy can certainly pose some problems as it'd force McCoy (ours) into a lot of 1-on-1's with Poe. With Unger I'd feel more confident but as it stands with an unproven rookie, it could be ugly.

You are aware that a DL lines up in different formations where the OL does not right? Do you watch games or just look at depth charts?

McCoy didnt line up on the same side every play in Tampa and wont in Carolina. 

[Black&BlueBubba]

4 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

You are aware that a DL lines up in different formations where the OL does not right? Do you watch games or just look at depth charts?

He’s also not paying attention to what we are doing on defense this off season. 

Just living in the past.  Next he will bring up blown PI calls.