REPORT: Panthers interested in Gerald McCoy

[Captain Morgan]

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League source says Gerald McCoy Panthers visit is “tentatively” set for this week - there are still moving pieces but team is optimistic about getting him in the building for a chat.

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I don't think Tomlin is that great of a coach, I'd rather have Rivera honestly. Rivera actually had a huge part in building the Panthers run of success over the course of the last 8 seasons. Tomlin inherited a team built by Bill Cowher that won a Superbowl only 2 seasons before that was loaded with talent. Much like Jon Gruden won a Superbowl with Tony Dungy's defense, Tomlin won a Superbowl with a majority of Cowher's players. I honestly would say Rivera is a better coach than Mike Tomlin for the sheer fact he has had to earn everything he got in Carolina vs Tomlin walking onto a team loaded with talent.

I don't think Tomlin is an all-time great, but it's a matter of fact that the man has never had a losing season as a head coach. 12 seasons in a row of .500 or better. That's pretty damn incredible. 

Meanwhile, Ron only has three winning seasons in eight years. That's mediocre at very best.

It's some crazy blind homerism to suggest that Ron is anywhere close to Tomlin.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The name of the game is winning. The Steelers have beem a very consistent winner under Tomlin winning 65% of their games, winning a Super Bowl and literally never having a losing season.

"Control" means nothing if you're not winning.

Winning is obviously number 1 in football but let's see if it continues. For most of Tomlin's reign the Steelers only competition in division was the Ravens. Much like the Patriots it is easier to win a division when you have a number of gimme games you can count on. Seems the Steelers are winning in spite of Tomlin not because of him.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Winning is obviously number 1 in football but let's see if it continues. For most of Tomlin's reign the Steelers only competition in division was the Ravens. Much like the Patriots it is easier to win a division when you have a number of gimme games you can count on. Seems the Steelers are winning in spite of Tomlin not because of him.

12 years in a row of .500 or better isn't a fluke. Five back to back winning seasons isn't a fluke. Speaking of weak divisions, we actually won the division under Ron with a losing record. Two of the four years the Steelers have missed the playoffs under Tomlin actually happened with a winning record, including last season. They've never won their division with less than 10 wins. 

It's embarrassing to watch someone try to argue that Rivera > Tomlin. 

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

12 years in a row of .500 or better isn't a fluke. Five back to back winning seasons isn't a fluke. Speaking of weak divisions, we actually won the division under Ron with a losing record. Two of the four years the Steelers have missed the playoffs under Tomlin actually happened with a winning record, including last season. They've never won their division with less than 10 wins. 

It's embarrassing to watch someone try to argue that Rivera > Tomlin. 

When you are given 4 wins automatically you only have to go 5-7 the rest of the way to have a winning season.

And let's remember Rivera inherited a 2-14 team whereas Tomlin inherited a talent laden team.  Rivera's first 2 losing seasons were each improvements over the previous one. Look at the Steelers winning seasons and Roethlisburger's health. Note that when he players few than 16 games they struggled. The same with the Panthers and Cam.  So you could easily argue the Steelers have had better talent up and down the lineup in an easier division.

I actually didn't argue Rivera was better, I argued that with Tomlin losing the locker room guys like Tepper wanted him gone. Since Rivera is firmly in control Tepper is more comfortable with him running the show. I still think Rivera has to go deep in the playoffs to keep his job.

[Proudiddy]

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

When you are given 4 wins automatically you only have to go 5-7 the rest of the way to have a winning season.

There's just nothing to support your theory that the NFC South has been the tougher division. In fact, everything points to the opposite. In Rivera's 8 years, there's only been 3 when there has been more than one team in the division with a winning record. One season there were none. In the AFC North during that same time frame, there have been 6 years when there has been more than one team with a winning record. The AFC North has clearly been the consistently tougher division over the past 8 seasons. Hell, you have to go all the way back to 1990 to find a season when that division was won by a team with less than 10 Ws.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's just nothing to support your theory that the NFC South has been the tougher division. In fact, everything points to the opposite. In Rivera's 8 years, there's only been 3 when there has been more than one team in the division with a winning record. One season there were none. In the AFC North during that same time frame, there have been 6 years when there has been more than one team with a winning record. The AFC North has clearly been the consistently tougher division over the past 8 seasons.

Yes there is consensus that the NFC South has been the toughest division for several years. Also besides Baltimore who else has won many games in the division? Cleveland? How many has Cincinnati had?  How many teams from the AFC North have won their conference in the last 8 years?  How many NFC South teams won their conference? It isn't close.    Obviously stats are easy to find and argue about...

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Yes there is consensus that the NFC South has been the toughest division for several years. Also besides Baltimore who else has won many games in the division? Cleveland? How many has Cincinnati had?  How many teams from the AFC North have won their conference in the last 8 years?  How many NFC South teams won their conference? It isn't close.    Obviously stats are easy to find and argue about...

If there's a consensus on that matter, then the consensus is demonstrably incorrect.

2011	(3) New Orleans (13–3)	(5) Atlanta (10–6)	Carolina (6–10)	Tampa Bay (4–12)
2012	(1) Atlanta (13–3)	Carolina (7–9)	New Orleans (7–9)	Tampa Bay (7–9)
2013	(2) Carolina (12–4)	(6) New Orleans (11–5)	Atlanta (4–12)	Tampa Bay (4–12)
2014	(4) Carolina (7–8–1)	New Orleans (7–9)	Atlanta (6–10)	Tampa Bay (2–14)
2015	(1) Carolina (15–1)	Atlanta (8–8)	New Orleans (7–9)	Tampa Bay (6–10)
2016	(2) Atlanta (11–5)	Tampa Bay (9–7)	New Orleans (7–9)	Carolina (6–10)
2017	(4) New Orleans (11–5)	(5) Carolina (11–5)	(6) Atlanta (10–6)	Tampa Bay (5–11)
2018	(1) New Orleans (13–3)	Atlanta (7–9)	Carolina (7–9)	Tampa Bay (5–11)

 

2011	(2) Baltimore (12–4)	(5) Pittsburgh (12–4)	(6) Cincinnati (9–7)	Cleveland (4–12)
2012	(4) Baltimore (10–6)	(6) Cincinnati (10–6)	Pittsburgh (8–8)	Cleveland (5–11)
2013	(3) Cincinnati (11–5)	Pittsburgh (8–8)	Baltimore (8–8)	Cleveland (4–12)
2014	(3) Pittsburgh (11–5)	(5) Cincinnati (10–5–1)	(6) Baltimore (10–6)	Cleveland (7–9)
2015	(3) Cincinnati (12–4)	(6) Pittsburgh (10–6)	Baltimore (5–11)	Cleveland (3–13)
2016	(3) Pittsburgh (11–5)	Baltimore (8–8)	Cincinnati (6–9–1)	Cleveland (1–15)
2017	(2) Pittsburgh (13–3)	Baltimore (9–7)	Cincinnati (7–9)	Cleveland (0–16)
2018	(4) Baltimore (10-6)	Pittsburgh (9–6–1)	Cleveland (7–8–1)	Cincinnati (6–10)

 

The NFC South's bottom feeder team has been consistently better, but the AFC North's top three have been consistently better.

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If there's a consensus on that matter, then the consensus is demonstrably incorrect.

2011	(3) New Orleans (13–3)	(5) Atlanta (10–6)	Carolina (6–10)	Tampa Bay (4–12)
2012	(1) Atlanta (13–3)	Carolina (7–9)	New Orleans (7–9)	Tampa Bay (7–9)
2013	(2) Carolina (12–4)	(6) New Orleans (11–5)	Atlanta (4–12)	Tampa Bay (4–12)
2014	(4) Carolina (7–8–1)	New Orleans (7–9)	Atlanta (6–10)	Tampa Bay (2–14)
2015	(1) Carolina (15–1)	Atlanta (8–8)	New Orleans (7–9)	Tampa Bay (6–10)
2016	(2) Atlanta (11–5)	Tampa Bay (9–7)	New Orleans (7–9)	Carolina (6–10)
2017	(4) New Orleans (11–5)	(5) Carolina (11–5)	(6) Atlanta (10–6)	Tampa Bay (5–11)
2018	(1) New Orleans (13–3)	Atlanta (7–9)	Carolina (7–9)	Tampa Bay (5–11)

 

2011	(2) Baltimore (12–4)	(5) Pittsburgh (12–4)	(6) Cincinnati (9–7)	Cleveland (4–12)
2012	(4) Baltimore (10–6)	(6) Cincinnati (10–6)	Pittsburgh (8–8)	Cleveland (5–11)
2013	(3) Cincinnati (11–5)	Pittsburgh (8–8)	Baltimore (8–8)	Cleveland (4–12)
2014	(3) Pittsburgh (11–5)	(5) Cincinnati (10–5–1)	(6) Baltimore (10–6)	Cleveland (7–9)
2015	(3) Cincinnati (12–4)	(6) Pittsburgh (10–6)	Baltimore (5–11)	Cleveland (3–13)
2016	(3) Pittsburgh (11–5)	Baltimore (8–8)	Cincinnati (6–9–1)	Cleveland (1–15)
2017	(2) Pittsburgh (13–3)	Baltimore (9–7)	Cincinnati (7–9)	Cleveland (0–16)
2018	(4) Baltimore (10-6)	Pittsburgh (9–6–1)	Cleveland (7–8–1)	Cincinnati (6–10)

 

The NFC South's bottom feeder team has been consistently better, but the AFC North's top three have been consistently better.

Twice the AFC had 3 teams with winning records while the NFC had 1. Hardly consistently better. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

36 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I don't believe the words "I came" were needed in this GIF, we got the idea. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Twice the AFC had 3 teams with winning records while the NFC had 1. Hardly consistently better. 

6 times they had 2 teams with winning records vs. only 3 for the NFCS. Their #3 teams have a combined 60 wins vs. ours a combined 54. Clearly consistently better throughout the top 3.

[jfra78]

24 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

I don't believe the words "I came" were needed in this GIF, we got the idea. 

you made me see that gif twice, once was enough

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

I won't say Rivera > Tomlin.  But I will say Tomlin isn't as good as his record indicates.  I would also suggest that Rivera's record would be much closer to Tomlin if he has been hired at Pitt.  And Tomlin's record would be much closer to Rivera's if he had been hired in Carolina.

Steelers have been an excellent run organization from the top.  That has had a larger impact than anything, imo.  Where Rivera started off with a rookie QB, Tomlin came into a team much more veteran.