Marty Hurney tried to trade up to get Greg Little as early as the No. 21 overall pick in the first round

[jbland]

2 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

What mistake did Hurney make?

Are you saying he *should* have traded up?

Hell no. The fact he even considered trading back into the first round. I still have nightmares of Otah. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 hour ago, rbsponsel52 said:

TheSpecialJuan likes to make nonsense threads that are a waste of thread space. What else is new.

hey! not nice

[jbland]

5 hours ago, musicman said:

The Cap has changed the way everybody thinks. 1st, what used to be a high salary is not any more. A guy getting 10 mil a year is not even tops in his position any more. Crazy! 2nd, GM's have to think a few years ahead if they have great players that will require big salaries. In 2 years, what do you do with CMC, DJ, Ajax and Samuel? What about Bradberry next year? He's rock solid, not the best but could easily command $14 mil a year, possibly more. 

I think the Panthers got young just so they afford future contracts and one being Cam if he has a great year and shoulder if fine, is going to get $30+ mil a year next year possibly. 

The Little trade was worth it. 4 years of a LT on the cheap is worth it and needed to help balance the cap. 

The trade was worth it in the second. Not had he traded back into the first. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

7 minutes ago, jbland said:

Hell no. The fact he even considered trading back into the first round. I still have nightmares of Otah

So no GM should ever, under any circumstances, consider trading back into the first round?

[jbland]

Just now, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

So no GM should ever, under any circumstances, consider trading back into the first round?

Wrong. Marty Hurney should never be allowed to trade back into the first. Obviously you weren’t a fan or didn't pay attention to the panthers last decade. Hurney has a track record of making dumb ass trades.  

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

3 minutes ago, jbland said:

Wrong. Marty Hurney should never be allowed to trade back into the first. Obviously you weren’t a fan or didn't pay attention to the panthers last decade. Hurney has a track record of making dumb ass trades

So only Hurney.  Under any circumstances.  Should never *ever* trade back into the first..for any reason whatsoever?  Period.  Interesting take.

I mean, he didn't.  He looked into it.  And saw it wasn't worth the price.  So I guess because he didn't do it, that means he didn't learn from his mistakes?

To me it wouldn't be "learning from his mistakes" if he took an absolutist approach to never trading back into the first under any circumstances.  It would just be a new mistake that could screw over the Panthers.

Learning from your mistakes would be realizing when it was worth trading back into the first, and when it wasn't.

[jbland]

13 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

So only Hurney.  Under any circumstances.  Should never *ever* trade back into the first..for any reason whatsoever?  Period.  Interesting take.

I mean, he didn't.  He looked into it.  And saw it wasn't worth the price.  So I guess because he didn't do it, that means he didn't learn from his mistakes?

To me it wouldn't be "learning from his mistakes" if he took an absolutist approach to never trading back into the first under any circumstances.  It would just be a new mistake that could screw over the Panthers.

Learning from your mistakes would be realizing when it was worth trading back into the first, and when it wasn't.

I get the point you’re trying to make and its not wrong. However, I don't trust Marty. Its probably the 3 winning seasons in 10 years his first go around. 

[caatfan]

I don't get the point of admitting you were willing to pay more for the player. Now that you've got him on board, why not just wait and see if he's even a legit 2nd rounder?

[panthers55]

44 minutes ago, jbland said:

Hell no. The fact he even considered trading back into the first round. I still have nightmares of Otah. 

Actually Otah was a beast until he got hurt. Even that was unexpected. If I remember correctly he played on a bum ankle most of his senior year playing through injury and pain. I never could understand how a meniscus tear would incapacitate you. I had an ACL replacement and bucket handle meniscus tear and resumed sports albeit at a much lower level. Still it was totally out of the blue and not something Hurney could have anticipated. Just my 2 cents.

[jbland]

25 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Actually Otah was a beast until he got hurt. Even that was unexpected. If I remember correctly he played on a bum ankle most of his senior year playing through injury and pain. I never could understand how a meniscus tear would incapacitate you. I had an ACL replacement and bucket handle meniscus tear and resumed sports albeit at a much lower level. Still it was totally out of the blue and not something Hurney could have anticipated. Just my 2 cents.

Yea, those two good seasons  were worth giving up our second, fourth and the following years first round picks. How was it unexpected? The dude was injured throughout college and is HUGE.

[joemac]

19 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I kinda wish we didn't have that 5th year option on Shaq to have forced our hand. We would've either already signed him to an extension that would probably put his cap hit for this year at significantly less than his current nearly $10M or we would've let him walk and TD would be here for another year.

If we were completely sold on Shaq, he would've already been extended. That 5th year option really only helps you if you're dealing with a really good player at a premium position. QB, LT, WR, CB then yeah. Mediocre LB? Meh... I wish we didn't have that crutch. Make the call.

Well, we had to get TD out of the way to see if Shaq is a suitable replacement, right?

[ladypanther]

5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but that take is only accurate if Little turns into a solid LT. If he is Matt Kalil 2.0, then it was a huge blunder and a desperation move. So, I can't give him any credit now. If it works out, all the credit in the world.

 

3 hours ago, mc52beast said:

Why would Hurney even tell that to anyone. He’s basically saying Little will be an anchor on this team... but what if he turns out to be a bust?

I've been hearing good reviews on Little from people who follow pro football for a living.  Projecting the success a college player will have in the pros is not an exact science.  There is a lot involved in evaluating a player...a lot of time and a lot of people in the process.    If Little does not succeed...it will be a team failure.  Hurney will be held responsible but he was not the lone person doing the evaluating.

Based on the recommendations of the scouts, coaches and the time he spent looking at tape and I would assume talking with Greg Little, Marty believed he was the LT of the future for the Panthers.  This belief was obviously strong.  This is a position that has not been properly addressed here for years.  Hurney made it a priority.  I like what he did to "get the guy."  Obviously he did not offer the farm to move up to the 1st or it would have happened. Based on what he thinks of Little, moving up in the 2nd was a very good move , IMO.  Will it work out?  No one knows.   See you in 3 years.  Marty did what he thought would improve this team and keep Cam safe.  I like the move. 

[LinvilleGorge]

26 minutes ago, joemac said:

Well, we had to get TD out of the way to see if Shaq is a suitable replacement, right?

Kinda like how releasing CJ Anderson was a way to give CAP a better look, right? We saw how that worked out.

You don't have to make roster moves to make depth chart changes. I absolutely think the plan was for Shaq to have leapfrogged TD well before now, he just wasn't good enough to do it. He had a four game trial run to start last season but just looked average.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Kinda like how releasing CJ Anderson was a way to give CAP a better look, right? We saw how that worked out.

You don't have to make roster moves to make depth chart changes. I absolutely think the plan was for Shaq to have leapfrogged TD well before now, he just wasn't good enough to do it. He had a four game trial run to start last season but just looked average.

Well, he will get a full 16 this season. The interesting part will be to see how he meshes with the new 3-4 looks. Who knows, maybe for some reason he really shines in that? We can hope. It would be better than having to start from scratch. I just don't want to see Hurney 2.0 go full Hurney 1.0 and sign him to some massive extension if he balls out in a contract year.