Hall of Honor criteria

[L-TownCat]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

That's fine. I never said the guy wasn't above average at his job. He certainly didn't do everything by himself. Far from it. 

If anything, it goes to show that a lot of this stuff is very subjective. The bar has been set, so I expect to see a few others guys eventually get in that I wouldn't have expected to get in. Come on down Moose, CJ, Hoover, Morgan (and whoever else)! I will say that Cam is a lock for this honor right now, regardless of whatever else happens. 

You really don't see a difference between Jake Delhomme and that list?  Thats a shame.  Jake was a moment.  Something you just had to experience.  Yes, both good Jake and bad Jake.  The QB always gets both too much credit and too much blame.  His entrance to the Hall doesn't cheapen it or lower the bar.

[top dawg]

14 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

You really don't see a difference between Jake Delhomme and that list?  Thats a shame.  Jake was a moment.  Something you just had to experience.  Yes, both good Jake and bad Jake.  The QB always gets both too much credit and too much blame.  His entrance to the Hall doesn't cheapen it or lower the bar.

Well, that's interesting. You're telling me that Jake was leaps and bounds ahead of Muhammad, Johnson, Hoover and Morgan at their respective positions and what they meant to this franchise? Like you said, the QB gets too much credit. I can respect it though. It's not as hard of a sell as essentially telling me that Cam Newton is the only reason the Panthers are on the map (like they weren't pre-Cam).

[NJPanthers12]

42 minutes ago, top dawg said:

No, when you think Carolina Panthers, you think Cam Newton.

Cam has been a star for sure, but let's not pretend that he's been the only star of the franchise. 

This team has had some of the greats in the sport and some notable names in the sport, though admittedly some came here towards the end of their careers. Pep is still the top Panther, and 89 kept the Panthers relevant throughout his storied career. 

I have been a staunch Cam supporter since before he set foot as a pro, so you really can't tell me anything that I don't know. He will get into the Hall of Honor, but he needs to raise his game a couple of notches if he wants to be revered across the league like the likes of Brees, Peppers or Smitty. 

You’re being extremely naive if you don’t think a majority of people outside of the Carolinas don’t associate the panthers with Cam Newton. Julius Peppers is the best player in franchise history. Cam Newton is the biggest and most relevant star in franchise history.

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, NJPanthers12 said:

You’re being extremely naive if you don’t think a majority of people outside of the Carolinas don’t associate the panthers with Cam Newton. Julius Peppers is the best player in franchise history. Cam Newton is the biggest and most relevant star in franchise history.

Many people within and outside the Carolinas don't even believe that Cam is an upper echelon QB, much less top QB in the history of the sport. If you don't realize and internalize this, then you're the one being naive.

[L-TownCat]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

Well, that's interesting. You're telling me that Jake was leaps and bounds ahead of Muhammad, Johnson, Hoover and Morgan at their respective positions and what they meant to this franchise? Like you said, the QB gets too much credit. I can respect it though. It's not as hard of a sell as essentially telling me that Cam Newton is the only reason the Panthers are on the map (like they weren't pre-Cam).

You’re putting words where there were none.  Jake took us to our first SB.  Add to that the way and how he did was remarkable.  It’s who he was, what he did, how he did it, and what it meant to us.  

Moose is on the fringe.

Hoover is a cult classic.

CJ was productive but never clicked with the fans.

As far as Cam goes, I think QBs that get us to the Bowl will get their names in the ring.

[MechaZain]

12 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

Beloved players

We've all been fixated on character because of Mills but this is the real answer. It's just a fun museum for the fans at the end of the day, it's really not as serious as it's been made out to be. 

[saX man]

Jake was the first real franchise QB this franchise had.  I don't necessarily count Kerry or Beurline.  We knew Beurline wasn't a long term QB and even though he put up great numbers, never led us anywhere.  Collins' time here was not ideal.  

This isn't the NFL HOF, it's for our franchise so have to take into account guys who helped create a culture and led our best teams in history.  That right there is Jake.  

[Wyank]

21 hours ago, top dawg said:

Many people within and outside the Carolinas don't even believe that Cam is an upper echelon QB, much less top QB in the history of the sport. If you don't realize and internalize this, then you're the one being naive.

That has nothing to do with what NJ is talking about.  It doesn't matter whether Cam Newton is the best player to ever put on a Panther's jersey or the most overrated player to put on a Panther's jersey.  Personally living outside of the Carolinas, I see that Carolina Panthers are associated with Cam Newton.  He is the biggest star and most polarizing player we ever had.  He may not be what you, me, and/or other Panther fans that have been a fan of the Panthers before the Newton era think of immediately.  People around here couldn't give a poo about the Panthers but they sure have an opinion on Cam Newton. 

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, Wyank said:

That has nothing to do with what NJ is talking about.  It doesn't matter whether Cam Newton is the best player to ever put on a Panther's jersey or the most overrated player to put on a Panther's jersey.  Personally living outside of the Carolinas, I see that Carolina Panthers are associated with Cam Newton.  He is the biggest star and most polarizing player we ever had.  He may not be what you, me, and/or other Panther fans that have been a fan of the Panthers before the Newton era think of immediately.  People around here couldn't give a poo about the Panthers but they sure have an opinion on Cam Newton. 

But, just because a player is nationally known and the mere mention of him begs opinions doesn't make him necessarily fitting of an honor---an honor that is probably first and foremost a football honor. I am not the one who made the comment about elevating the franchise to a level never seen before. In fact, I reject it.  As an organization, this franchise was solid all around before Newton, and that's one of the reasons why the Whites, Greenes and Mills's came here. From a football perspective,  Cam has surely done his thing, but at the end of the day, from a football perspective, the franchise has basically been the same old rollercoaster Panthers. This is not to say that Cam can't elevate the franchise to the top echelon like the Pats, Steelers, Green Bay or Cowboys, but he's going to have to raise his level of consistency. He just has to. Now getting back to opinions, people all over America had opinions on Steve Smith, and I would still say that he is arguably the most polarizing and biggest star to ever don a Panthers uniform. But the difference between him and Cam from a football perspective is consistency. Peppers was the biggest star in my opinion, but people had their opinions on him. Say what you will about his personality,  but from a football perspective, the player was consistently great. People outside of Carolina know Luke Kuechly. He is also known for being consistently great, even at this stage of his career. McCaffrey is headed that way too. And I would bet that both their jersey sales are reflective of that fact. Kuechly is legit and may be realistically the best that has ever played the position! McCaffrey, though relatively new, is certainly elevating the status of the franchise to higher levels. 

All I am really saying is that it's a team sport, and that no one is doing anything by themselves in relation to the franchise. The individual accolades do account for something---don't get me wrong---but the bottom line is that all this stuff comes down to standards and expectations. As such, I think it's extremely silly to refer to someone's standards as "stupid" or "insane" when they're obviously just different. Shoot, some have suggested  that it be a popularity contest. Well, if that's what it is, or that's  what you want it to be, so be it.

 

[Fox007]

Walls 100% lock...that's easy for any Panther fan worth a fug. Gross...perhaps but wtf how many are we going to have for a franchise that hasn't even won a SB...seems it should be a pretty large filter IMO. Some get credit for being firsts just like it always is with anything but this damn mom and pop mentality that all these people like CJ should get in is pretty funny to me. Old habits die hard, hopefully a harder mentality is on the way with Tepper.