To those who think Cam is just eating steak and planning movies....

[tiger7_88]

I think this thread and others blows a huge hole in the premise floated by others that drafting Will Grier wouldn’t have any effect on Carolina fans support of Cam Newton.

lol, what a naive premise ignoring all available previous evidence over the last eight years.

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

9 hours ago, CatTower said:

Lol, one video on the beach with his kid, while helping promote this other guy's business.  Not exactly all football focus there.  If this is the best evidence you got, it's not that great.

Seriously? Do you actually read? He said there's a YouTube channel... meaning more than one vid.

[Mother Grabber]

I haven't had steak in a while, can I be an NFL QB?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

2 hours ago, Moorgan said:

Goal posts successfully moved. Sports fans really are the worst. This tiny statistical window that I think is the most important thing is the only thing that matters...everything else is unimportant and I will allow no amount of facts disprove my point because...my opinion is fact. Also I'll use words like wildly inaccurate without substantiating any of it because I get to spew hot takes without any basis in fact.

Here's a fact that is from a simple stat search on NFL.com and it instantly refutes your entire premise but "muh opinion"

Cam Newton accuracy 11-20 yards (2018): 94/140 67.1%

Cam Newton accuracy 21-30 yards (2018): 89/122 73%

http://www.nfl.com/player/camnewton/2495455/situationalstats

So, apparently, an average of 70% accuracy is "wildly inaccurate". Seriously, who ties your shoes?

lol goodnight @Michaelinraleigh

[Manther]

Cam does the work.  Work ethic is not his problem.  His weakness is he never liked stepping up into the pocket making it very hard on our tackles.  The problem with the pocket is you can't run away, Cam's great scrambling skill is diminished there and he has to dump.  That is what makes whimpy Brady so effective... he is one of the best dumpers in game, combined with the best/most expensive offensive coordinator in the history of game , that results in championships.  Cam doesn't dump as often, and when he does, has a high percentage of intentional groundings.  His weakness is skill based, not physical.  He needs to improve/speed his reads, take fewer risky throws and get good at dumping....or scrambing out of the pocket.  

Last year he had weapons, and was stepping up into the pocket and we were all surprised how well our line held for half season.  When the wheels fell after the Steelers game, a combination of Cam's arm, Funchess dropsies, DJ Moore fumbilitis, and defensive coaching ineptitude, just decimated the season.

[Moorgan]

11 minutes ago, Manther said:

Cam does the work.  Work ethic is not his problem.  His weakness is he never liked stepping up into the pocket making it very hard on our tackles.  The problem with the pocket is you can't run away, Cam's great scrambling skill is diminished there and he has to dump.  That is what makes whimpy Brady so effective... he is one of the best dumpers in game, combined with the best/most expensive offensive coordinator in the history of game , that results in championships.  Cam doesn't dump as often, and when he does, has a high percentage of intentional groundings.  His weakness is skill based, not physical.  He needs to improve/speed his reads, take fewer risky throws and get good at dumping....or scrambing out of the pocket.  

Last year he had weapons, and was stepping up into the pocket and we were all surprised how well our line held for half season.  When the wheels fell after the Steelers game, a combination of Cam's arm, Funchess dropsies, DJ Moore fumbilitis, and defensive coaching ineptitude, just decimated the season.

On what are you basing this?

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/camnewton/2495455/situationalstats

Cam Newton accuracy 1-10 yards (2018): 98/140 70%

http://www.nfl.com/player/camnewton/2495455/situationalstats

Tom Brady accuracy 1-10 yards (2018): 133/190 70%

 

Seriously I can't make this stuff up.

[Manther]

14 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

On what are you basing this?

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/camnewton/2495455/situationalstats

Cam Newton accuracy 1-10 yards (2018): 98/140 70%

http://www.nfl.com/player/camnewton/2495455/situationalstats

Tom Brady accuracy 1-10 yards (2018): 133/190 70%

Seriously I can't make this stuff up. 

Why are you quoting accuracy to me?

Seriously, some people can't read.

The stats you need to look at are here:

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5228/

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24788/

Cam was sacked ~50% more in 2018.  I can't find intentional grounding stats.

 

[Moorgan]

2 minutes ago, Manther said:

Why are you quoting accuracy to me?

Seriously, some people can't read.

How else would you quantify "dumping"?

Additionally, my question still stands...on what are you basing your "analysis"? This is a common thread today and in general.

"Here's what I think which is based on zero facts but I will present it as fact." If you're basing the assertion that Brady is effective at dumping and Cam is not (high percentage intentional grounding) then surely that is tracked somewhere. Or is all of that what? Based off your massive recall of every play of the season and then we are getting the summary of your photographic memory? I mean there's facts to back what you said up right? Just point me to them and I'll go from there.

I pointed you to facts that I at least THINK refutes what you said. But you're gonna give me...nothing? Got it.

[Manther]

4 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

How else would you quantify "dumping"?

Additionally, my question still stands...on what are you basing your "analysis"? This is a common thread today and in general.

"Here's what I think which is based on zero facts but I will present it as fact." If you're basing the assertion that Brady is effective at dumping and Cam is not (high percentage intentional grounding) then surely that is tracked somewhere. Or is all of that what? Based off your massive recall of every play of the season and then we are getting the summary of your photographic memory? I mean there's facts to back what you said up right? Just point me to them and I'll go from there.

I pointed you to facts that I at least THINK refutes what you said. But you're gonna give me...nothing? Got it.

By dumping I meant throw away....not dink and dunk dude.

 

Seriously giving stats on completion says nothing about style.  Your post was blah....it deserved nothing.

[arbnranger]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Nappy homeless guy? Well someone needs to "plan some more movies" if they don't recognize my avatar.....

I agree, shonuff. 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Michaelinraleigh said:

I like him fine. I don't have any real personal issues with him. The only thing that irritates me sometimes outside of actual play is celebrating a first down or touchdown if we are way down. Like 17 pts behind or more. If it's something that gives us a chance dance. If we are winning go over to their sideline and dance in their face I don't care.

I just want him to play better and win. 

I would prefer he have the apparent drive and focus of Steve Smith.

It appears that he doesn't at least from my perspective. I would like to be proven wrong.

Yeah, I mean we all want him to play better and he was definitely doing that this past season prior to getting injured. I think a lot of that goes with putting some people around him and the team more successful. We let the OL fall into disrepair, we failed until recently to keep good WR's around him, and we failed for a long time to put a competent OC with him. That doesn't absolve him from some of this mistakes but it also didn't help put him and the team in the best situations. 

The celebrating I don't care about. It's meaningless to me. 

I think he's plenty driven enough but I don't think he will ever have that Brady level competitive fire of just refusing to go quietly. He can get discouraged and lose his focus, but he is also a lot better about that now then when he was younger. Cam is still maturing. We can wish him to be this or that but the fact is he is plenty good enough to win us a title. 

[arbnranger]

I love a good Tuesday dust up. 

[Moorgan]

15 minutes ago, Manther said:

By dumping I meant throw away....not dink and dunk dude.

 

Seriously giving stats on completion says nothing about style.  Your post was blah....it deserved nothing.

So Brady is the best at throwing away and that's why he has rings? That's what you're going with?

 

52 minutes ago, Manther said:

That is what makes whimpy Brady so effective... he is one of the best dumpers (THROW AWAY) in game, combined with the best/most expensive offensive coordinator in the history of game , that results in championships. 

Brady is largely credited with being great at dumping off (meaning dink and dunk) but you're going with you meant to say throwing away? ok. Cool. Still no stats to back that up...again...just your opinion. Why is it so difficult for people to identify an opinion or assert a fact with subsequent analysis? This is part of why I'm never on this board anymore...at least most of Twitter doesn't take itself so seriously.

[MHS831]

Funny when people create an argument so they can argue against it.  Why would anyone think a professional athlete is doing  anything other than getting ready?  Nobody questions his work ethic--his health, maybe.