Bench: I’m going to keep Will Grier safe

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, mjligon said:

Why are we discussing hypotheticals again? I’m speaking realistically- we had other holes than backup QB that could have been addressed with a 3rd round pick.

Speaking if hypotheticals, it’s going to be great to see all the stud DBs, WRs, DL, etc that were picked right after 100 when we look back on this draft next season.

Meanwhile, we got a nice backup!

So you're ducking it again.

Riiiight.

Here's how it works: The best guy should start. If there's a runningback on the team who's better than Christian McCaffrey, he should start. If there's a defensive tackle on the team better than Kawann Short, he should start. If there's a linebacker on the team better than Luke Kuechly, he should start. And yes, if it turns out there's a quarterback on the team better than Cam Newton - for health reasons, ability reasons or whatever reason - then that guy should start.

Doesn't matter how likely or unlikely those things are. Doesn't matter if it's unfair or unjust. Doesn't matter if it screws somebody over. Those things happen. It's a shame when they do, but you can't make a bad roster decision just because somebody gets hurt by the good one.

That's football.

[therealmjl]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

So you're ducking it again.

Riiiight.

Here's how it works: The best guy should start. If there's a runningback on the team who's better than Christian McCaffrey, he should start. If there's a defensive tackle on the team better than Kawann Short, he should start. If there's a linebacker on the team better than Luke Kuechly, he should start. And yes, if it turns out there's a quarterback on the team better than Cam Newton - for health reasons, ability reasons or whatever reason - then that guy should start.

Doesn't matter how likely or unlikely those things are. Doesn't matter if it's unfair or unjust. Doesn't matter if it screws somebody over. Those things happen. It's a shame when they do, but you can't make a bad roster decision just because somebody gets hurt by the good one.

That's football.

Man please step away from the keyboard 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, mjligon said:

Man please step away from the keyboard 

Because you're losing this argument?

Nah.

[therealmjl]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because you're losing this argument?

Nah.

You’re arguing with somebody who isn’t taking any of this seriously. You aren’t “winning”.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, mjligon said:

You’re arguing with somebody who isn’t taking any of this seriously. You aren’t “winning”.

Well then, here's a simple statement:

"I don't care whether it's Cam Newton or Will Grier or Kyle Allen or somebody else running the offense as long as they play well and we win."

I have no problem saying that I agree with that. Heck, I don't see why anybody would have a problem with that statement.

Do you agree with it?

[kungfoodude]

49 minutes ago, mjligon said:

A backup in Round 3 when we have other issues and a closing window is a wasted pick.

I think the pick is made look much worse than it would be had we not traded up for Little because then we perhaps fill another need with that pick. To me, that was probably the majority of my butthurt over the Grier pick. If we fill other needs with the 2nd and the first 3rd, I probably don't have nearly as much issue with the Grier pick.

[therealmjl]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Well then, here's a simple statement:

"I don't care whether it's Cam Newton or Will Grier or Kyle Allen or somebody else running the offense as long as they play well and we win."

I have no problem saying that I agree with that. Heck, I don't see why anybody would have a problem with that statement.

Do you agree with it?

I agree I want the Panthers to win regardless of who is the quarterback, linebacker, coach, etc. Only someone with serious issues would be against that.

Heres another statement- let’s see if you agree-

“The 2019-2020 Carolina Panthers had more pressing needs than drafting a backup QB with one of their first 3 picks.”

[therealmjl]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the pick is made look much worse than it would be had we not traded up for Little because then we perhaps fill another need with that pick. To me, that was probably the majority of my butthurt over the Grier pick. If we fill other needs with the 2nd and the first 3rd, I probably don't have nearly as much issue with the Grier pick.

I agree with this 100%

[kungfoodude]

48 minutes ago, Michaelinraleigh said:

But what if he's better?

Jake was unproven but it was clear from day 1 of camp he was better than Peete.

Took us getting down to the Jags for people to wake up.

If by some chance he is better, sure. That is unlikely to happen, however. Cam is(your words) a top 10 QB in the NFL. The odds of Grier being a top 10 QB in the NFL are pretty slim.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

If by some chance he is better, sure. That is likely to happen, however. Cam is(your words) a top 10 QB in the NFL. The odds of Grier being a top 10 QB in the NFL are pretty slim.

I think you meant to say "unlikely".

Newton being healthy is the path of least resistance. Unfortunately, he might not be, and all the denial in the world won't change it if he isn't.

Drafting his backup is an insurance policy, not an insult.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, mjligon said:

I agree I want the Panthers to win regardless of who is the quarterback, linebacker, coach, etc. Only someone with serious issues would be against that.

Heres another statement- let’s see if you agree-

“The 2019-2020 Carolina Panthers had more pressing needs than drafting a backup QB with one of their first 3 picks.”

After watching what happened last season, I'd say backup quarterback was a very pressing need.

Me? I probably would have gone out and signed a veteran journeyman like a Josh McCown type and used a draft pick on a promising kid from college as well. The Panthers decided to stick to the draft only.

And thus, here we are...

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the pick is made look much worse than it would be had we not traded up for Little because then we perhaps fill another need with that pick. To me, that was probably the majority of my butthurt over the Grier pick. If we fill other needs with the 2nd and the first 3rd, I probably don't have nearly as much issue with the Grier pick.

Given what they've said about how they saw the needs in the draft, it's most likely that if they still had the 77th pick, they would have used it on Greer and the 100th pick on somebody else.

People would probably be b-tching even more under that circumstance than they are now.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I think you meant to say "unlikely".

Newton being healthy is the path of least resistance. Unfortunately, he might not be, and all the denial in the world won't change it if he isn't.

Drafting his backup is an insurance policy, not an insult.

I am not denying anything nor insulted by the pick. I am moderately annoyed that we decided to go that route after trading up in the 2nd. I still think FS is a serious need and I wouldn't have minded some more depth players in other positions. Taking Grier in the third could easily be replaced with Finley in the 4th or Jared Stidham in the 4th. I don't think Grier is any better than those guys and it's a backup QB pick, after all. 

If Newton gets injured, I can't say that I expect Allen or Grier is going to win us many games. A lot of any of this will depend on how much we can improve on protecting the QB. If we aren't better than last year, it won't really matter who is at QB, they will all get crushed. 

It's just a perspective thing. I don't think the backup QB need was particularly dire, although it was necessary and I don't think Grier is a particularly good prospect. I also am harder on it because of that trade up in round two. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

yeah. stop smearing everyone who thinks it was a dumb pick as someone who's actively pulling against the guy. if you want to see what that actually looks like, check the takes we've seen on cam through the years.

This from someone who hopes to see him throw a bunch of interceptions so he can watch people get upset?

I'll take it a step further: If Newton shows he can't go anymore, are you going to hope that Greer plays well enough to win us games and merit starter consideration?