Bulter 5th year option ...

[Waldo]

45 minutes ago, Go DJ that's my DJ said:

if he sucks it up during TC I would say go ahead and cut him before the season starts. Hopefully that isn't the case.

If we can replace him with a better fit, sure. Right now I'm not even sure how the 3-4 Dline shakes down let alone who performs well in the new roles.

[La Pantera]

Trade straight up for Karl Joseph.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Usually in year three the lights come on. It's been eternal darkness in Butler so far. Probably one of the worst 1st round draft picks ever. I wish he would have done something but honestly he's a bigger bust than Otah. That's saying something because I hated Otah. 

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

You are so weird. Perverse? Seriously? It’s a Panthers message board, no need to act so pretentious. Henry has 80 catches in 3 years and you think he’s got HOF ability? I’m glad you are so eager for his return along with the rest of the fans that missed his 2.5 catches per game. Your perverse excitement for Henry borders on the creepy.

I down play Henry because people like you act like we missed out on the best player in football.  He’s not even close to the best TE. He’s 23rd in TE receiving yards since 2016, behind an old Witten who played only 2 years and just ahead of Njoku, Howard and Watson who also only played 2 years in the last 3.

I’m fine with Ian Thomas, we didn’t miss that much. Again, bemoan Chris Jones or Michael Thomas. Henry’s not in their zip code. 

First off, do you even know what perverse means? Secondly, anybody who was paying attention knows that the Chargers intentionally brought Hunter along slowly his first year as he was behind an aging future HoFer. Moreover, when they decided that he would be the guy going forward, he got injured. So, I find it highly disingenuous of one who analyzes football to conveniently forget about context when throwing stats around to downplay Henry's talent and potential to be at least good (yes, "good" is his floor), relative to many other TEs in the game provided that he stays healthy. Absolutely no one is talking about Big Vern in the same vein that they are Henry, and Butler has been relatively healthy the whole time. No one, save maybe Gettleman or Beane of the Buffalo Panthers  would give anything of any consequence for Butler, but if Henry became available, especially being that he has reportedly become a full-go within the last month, he would likely have multiple suitors. Be for real! 

And, the time for "bemoaning" is long gone. The fact that G-man fuged up that pick is pretty much a given at this point. I responded about Henry in my original post in this thread, nothing else, and I stand 100 percent behind what I said about him, and you downplaying his talent.

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Man, I can’t stand smug people like you. I’m aware of the definition and I’m confident that my educational background is superior to yours.

I don’t care anywhere near as much about Henry as you do. You are trying to defend and laud a TE with 80 catches in 3 years. It’s amazing to me that you act so cocksure but don’t get that I’ve never compared Butler to Henry. Duh, of course Henry would garner more attention than Butler. You are so far off understanding my point that you interpret it as support for Butler.

Ugh, this is boring. You allude to Henry having HOF potential and act giddy about his return. You then think I’m bagging on Henry as if Butler was a better pick. I’ll say it simply, Henry isn’t nearly as good as you Butler bemoaners think. I’ll sit on my 80 catches in 3 years and won’t really care what he does this year. I’ll be watching Ian and Greg.

For one that has a superior educational background to mine (LOL), you must be daft to suggest that I'm "giddy" about Hunter Henry's return. I've stated that you have downplayed his talent, and that's what I meant. I've also stated that you provided stats (however cherry-picked) to show why Henry is essentially a bottom 25 percent TE in the league without providing any type of context. Most professional analysts, as well as football fans, will tell you that Hunter Henry is way more talented than you, with all your superior educational background (and, ironically, smugness) are letting on. It's that simple. Furthermore, the example of Thomas Davis was used as a means to counteract your indirect insinuation that Henry is simply nothing "special" based upon going on two years of injury as opposed to a very talented TE like was alluded to by the PFF article which provides more context. You see, that is what people with "superior educational backgrounds"do: they provide context and support their arguments without coming out the side of their neck with something that no other credible source believes.

 

[Proudiddy]

Lol

[Carl Spackler]

“I can’t stand smug people like you”

- the most smug person on the Huddle

[Panthers8969]

I’d say no way but we took on shaqs 5th year and he hasn’t produced either so

[Panthers8969]

Would you two just get a room already

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

Truth hurts sometimes, doesn’t it. Also, LOL at me cherry picking stats when my “cherry picking” is his career numbers. Comical.

His PFF numbers are based on such a small sample size. 30 something catches his rookie year and 8 TDs. That’s like saying Billy Volek is the best QB based on his 3 or 4 game stretch. He’s not going to keep up that pace and he didn’t in his second year. Let’s be real, KB almost doubled Henry’s production in his first two years.

I don’t know why you are so damn sensitive about your poor Hunter Henry. We didn’t pick him, let it go. It was you that put Hunter Henry and potential HOFer in your post. That’s the type of post I am downplaying. I’m not insinuating that he’s not talented but you are acting like he’s the top TE based on that PFF article.

Henry has 80 catches in 3 years, simple math. He’s ridiculously overvalued by the people who can’t get over Butler and Gettleman. All I do is say that Henry hasn’t even produced as much as Hooper (he hasn’t) and the termites come out of the woodwork. Henry has put up below average TE stats in his 3 years and I think he’s an average TE. He’s not close to a HOFer and he’s lucky to have a QB that loves TEs, but there are many TEs (-1 in Gronk now) that I’d rather have. I think we’ve got a good young TE who might be just as good.

I’m just going to ignore this wonderful thread because I don’t want the 5th year on Butler anyway. Feel free to reply again as I’m sure you will, but there’s no article to convince me of your assertion that Henry is well on his way to the HOF. Still hysterical you brought that up. 

What's hysterical is your saying that Henry is nothing "special," when countless of analysts, pundits, coaches, Chargers' fans and professional football fans suggest otherwise (if have not outright expressed it). What's comical is your calling me smug for calling you out on your b.s. and general smug attitude pertaining to your opinions. What's comical is that you obviously got butthurt about me calling your b.s. "perverse" (not perverted, but xperverse"), but perhaps I should have simply used "contrary." My bad! What's especially ludicrous is that you bring up some supposed "superior educational background" into the argument at all, as it bespeaks to your own insecurity, and overall inability to support an opinion that basically is based on a guy whose upward trajectory has hopefully been temporarily halted by injury, but still flashed enough to give legit analysts a reason to believe that he can be pretty "special." Moreover, for the record, it doesn't take a formal or "superior educational background" to know football.

I'll give you some kudos regarding limited knowledge of collegians, but you're not fooling anyone, much less me, when it comes to the NFL when you make such authoritative, but uninformed comments about pros. Now, I hope that truth didn't hurt you, as much as it will hopefully guide you to having more intelligent responses---befitting of someone with an actual "superior educational background"---in the future. 

[top dawg]

I mean, damn, at least give the man another year or two before essentially calling him a bust. Based upon his relatively limited work thus far, there is absolutely no reason to insinuate that he is not a legit first round talent, especially when you actually provide context.

[LinvilleGorge]

Panthers just posted on FB that his option will not be picked up.

[raz]

oh thank god.   i don't know if he wasn't hog or wasn't molly or both.

[Ricky Spanish]

Just now, raz said:

oh thank god.   i don't know if he wasn't hog or wasn't molly or both.

Looks like Hog, plays like Molly.