Gettleman is getting absolutely destroyed by national media... STILL

[bababoey]

Can some lock this thread.

 

[TheRumGone]

3 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/former-panthers-lb-jon-beason-says-dave-gettleman-accused-him-of-faking-injury/tx4yx4fzc1um130am8j3rn6bj

https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/Article/Jon-Beason-Dave-Gettleman-Faking-Injury-101743824/

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/07/17/jon-beason-dave-gettleman-accused-me-of-faking-an-injury/

Key quotes:

Found the interview:

https://wfnz.radio.com/articles/news/primetime-former-panther-jon-beason-gettleman-once-said-i-was-faking-injury

Starts talking about injury a little after the 2 minute mark.

I don’t know the context of this remark because that seems incredibly stupid to say to someone. 

Beason is also lying saying he was one of the key guys on the team. Everyone knew his injury history. Everyone knew he would never be the same. Everybody knew Luke was the truth after his rookie year. And Beason asked to be traded. So I don’t know what he’s talking about. Igo confirmed that. 

Honestly sounds like ego. DG owed Beason nothing, and instead he granted him a trade, instead of cutting him because he wasn’t getting playing time here. Put him in a great spot to start with a great organization. I’m not sure what else you could ask for at that point. 

[TheRed]

48 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I don’t know the context of this remark because that seems incredibly stupid to say to someone. 

Beason is also lying saying he was one of the key guys on the team. Everyone knew his injury history. Everyone knew he would never be the same. Everybody knew Luke was the truth after his rookie year. And Beason asked to be traded. So I don’t know what he’s talking about. Igo confirmed that. 

Honestly sounds like ego. DG owed Beason nothing, and instead he granted him a trade, instead of cutting him because he wasn’t getting playing time here. Put him in a great spot to start with a great organization. I’m not sure what else you could ask for at that point. 

Beason was an All-Pro in 2008 and 2009. Not a stretch to say he was a key guy. We drafted Luke when injuries became a concern, not just with Beason but Thomas Davis had the injuries as well. Before you try to jump on Jon, bare in mind that if many of our fickle fans had it their way, Luke wouldn't even be here either. Very few fans were thrilled with the Kuechly pick. Nobody wanted a linebacker.

If it's all just sour grapes on his part why has Beason had nothing bad to say about literally anyone else in this organization?

All this has shown is certain Panthers fans will casually revise history and send any former player straight to the guillotine if they dare speak ill of DG. Makes it even more puzzling when you see fans show up here balling their eyes out when the team falters. You want a winner so badly, but you'll sacrifice any player who has given it their all for this team just to keep DG's perceived reputation intact. 

[WUnderhill]

This thread is going places.

[TheRumGone]

18 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Beason was an All-Pro in 2008 and 2009. Not a stretch to say he was a key guy. We drafted Luke when injuries became a concern, not just with Beason but Thomas Davis had the injuries as well. Before you try to jump on Jon, bare in mind that if many of our fickle fans had it their way, Luke wouldn't even be here either. Very few fans were thrilled with the Kuechly pick. Nobody wanted a linebacker.

If it's all just sour grapes on his part why has Beason had nothing bad to say about literally anyone else in this organization?

All this has shown is certain Panthers fans will casually revise history and send any former player straight to the guillotine if they dare speak ill of DG. Makes it even more puzzling when you see fans show up here balling their eyes out when the team falters. You want a winner so badly, but you'll sacrifice any player who has given it their all for this team just to keep DG's perceived reputation intact. 

It was a stretch to say he was a key guy after all his injuries. The rest of what you said has nothing to do with me.

[Khyber53]

This thread has gone on longer than Gettleman's stay here.

Can't we just throw in a hog molly and a bup bup bup and let it go?

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

This thread has gone on longer than Gettleman's stay here.

Can't we just throw in a hog molly and a bup bup bup and let it go?

How about a bup bup bup from a guy the size of a hog Molly?

[frash.exe]

6 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

I don’t know the context of this remark because that seems incredibly stupid to say to someone. 

Beason is also lying saying he was one of the key guys on the team. Everyone knew his injury history. Everyone knew he would never be the same. Everybody knew Luke was the truth after his rookie year. And Beason asked to be traded. So I don’t know what he’s talking about. Igo confirmed that. 

Honestly sounds like ego. DG owed Beason nothing, and instead he granted him a trade, instead of cutting him because he wasn’t getting playing time here. Put him in a great spot to start with a great organization. I’m not sure what else you could ask for at that point. 

the beason extension had one of the worst payoffs in team history and you can prove that mathematically. two seasons on IR and a whole lot of dead money. for unforeseen injuries? for JR trying to make a point about not being cheap after being so cheap that it completely ruined the 2010 campaign? maybe mostly the former and a little bit but quite certainly the latter as well? up to your own judgment. but the guaranteed money was gone the minute beason signed his name and he ended up as one of our highest paid players while spending most of his time dealing with injuries.

it’s also worth stating that marty pretty much drafted his replacement in the top 10 in the draft less than a year from the outset of the contract. we all knew that luke’s true position was in the middle from the minute he was drafted and that’s where beason was lining up and neither of them were going to be playing as good shifted to the side. beason’s achilles recovery went from being his primary concern to the icing on the cake. he was being pushed out of his role here way before gettleman was brought in. all he really did as you said was expedite the process so that beason maybe could seize a better opportunity to start somewhere. naturally he caught flack for it.

and on that note, a word about mike minter bc the only time @TheRed seems to even care to mention him is when he’s referencing this one time where i made an off the cuff remark about his retirement. the story goes like this...

mike minter, a reliable and solid player for a good amount of years. but in 2006, it was clear that his best days were behind him. i distinctly remember his age really showing in the MNF dallas game...anyway, the whole offseason marty does nothing to bolster the FS spot bc everybody expects minter to come back and play another year based on him just telling the team he wants to return i guess.

he shows up to camp in july, realizes his knees are shot, decides to retire a week later. not a dry eye in the press conference. a very sentimental send off. but what did it cost? nothing really except for the fact that where we thought we had stable positional depth there was now a huge hole. and of course there’s nothing hurney could do at this point bc it’s august, so deke cooper becomes the incumbent starter and hurney picks up marquand manuel off waivers. 

deke cooper

marquand manuel

we now know that delhomme was lost by the end of september and it was going to be a rough season anyway, but in either case, i mean anybody can say what they want about gettleman but he would’ve prevented that. minter probably wouldn’t have gone out on his own terms, but therein lies the conundrum where i prompt the huddle that it’s a simple order of priority. 

do you prefer it that the organization focuses primarily on being a consistent contender and maybe have some your press conferences and retirement parties if they don’t interfere, or do you really need your walt disney fantasy endings so bad that it shouldn’t matter that the overall performance on the field suffers? they both can’t be equal. 

i see a similar situation possibly playing out with olsen. he’s been a fantastic player, but at the risk of sounding like a douchebag who hates players (wink wink) he’s 34 and has been plagued by foot injuries for the last two seasons. olsen has flirted around with the idea of joining gameday broadcast booths, but with the way free agency and the draft played out, and virtually no viable TEs left on the market, it’s clear that hurney is leaving the fate of the TE position in 2019 up to olsen and his own physical well being (i hope i’m not being too insensitive here). 

like my gut instinct is to be very skeptical about how this is set up but that must mean i need to check to see if i still have a soul bc i don’t want to question the players or say i told you so if they let us down. i was told in no uncertain terms that i was a monster for thinking like that. @TheRed please advise.

[Icege]

[Moo Daeng]

Deke Cooper had a decent year. Just saying.

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 i mean anybody can say what they want about gettleman but he would’ve prevented that. minter probably wouldn’t have gone out on his own terms, but therein lies the conundrum where i prompt the huddle that it’s a simple order of priority. 

Like letting Norman walk and panicking in the draft? Then relying on 2 rookie corners? Come on, we weren't born yesterday.

 

[frash.exe]

29 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Deke Cooper had a decent year. Just saying.

Like letting Norman walk and panicking in the draft? Then relying on 2 rookie corners? Come on, we weren't born yesterday.

gettleman evaluated everybody on the roster each offseason. put him at the helm in 2007 and he would’ve at least brought in insurance.

norman was on the tag for six or seven weeks. it was only when the tag got rescinded that norman tried to rush to sign it bc up until that point he left everything to his agent to negotiate. 

honestly the fact that you think these two situations are identical would sway me toward the direction of thinking that you were born yesterday. at least try to make an effort to understand the intricacies of each individual case next time.

[The Natural]

@frash.exe Yeah, he "evaluates" alright.... Remember when Dave Gettleman thought it would be okay to pencil in Byron Bell and Nate Chandler as our tackles?

[Ricky Spanish]

2 minutes ago, The Natural said:

@frash.exe Yeah, he "evaluates" alright.... Remember when Dave Gettleman thought it would be okay to pencil in Byron Bell and Nate Chandler as our tackles?

In Gettleman's defense, that offseason we were completely hamstrung by Hurney's horrible contracts and Bell and Chandler were being paid what they were worth, which was next to nothing. They were, financially speaking, our only options at the time. 

[Moo Daeng]

He shined when being cheap was a requirement. He never transitioned out of that. He kept being cheap for the sake of being cheap.