Gettleman is getting absolutely destroyed by national media... STILL

[Bronn]

3 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

you sound like a very proud southern boy for taking that comment to heart

should i slow it down with the fancy city slicker talk for my point to get across for you or do you have one of them fancy thesauruses at your town’s library?

FWIW I feel you on your response to me. I have no real dog in the Hurney/Gettleman fight TBQH, and I felt a lot of the way you did. Based on our past conversations, I know we disagree about Smitty, but other than that our views are probably pretty similar.

That said, don't look down your nose at anyone based on your particular geographic location. I know the inverse has been true, too. A lot of people don't like Gettleman primarily because he comes across as a brash goomba yankee, and I don't think that's right either. But c'mon man, you're better than this.

PS: It was still funny, though.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Bronn said:

FWIW I feel you on your response to me. I have no real dog in the Hurney/Gettleman fight TBQH, and I felt a lot of the way you did. Based on our past conversations, I know we disagree about Smitty, but other than that our views are probably pretty similar.

That said, don't look down your nose at anyone based on your particular geographic location. I know the inverse has been true, too. A lot of people don't like Gettleman primarily because he comes across as a brash goomba yankee, and I don't think that's right either. But c'mon man, you're better than this.

PS: It was still funny, though.

That jab doesn't even make any sense because for all the shade we threw at him it doesn't even TOUCH the level of vitriol being thrown at him by the NYG fanbase and NY media. 

It is rather ironic to try talk take a dumb Southerner dig while not using any punctuation or capitalization, though. I did get an actual IRL laugh out of that.

[Bronn]

To Gettleman's credit, I did rank Jones pretty highly myself. We could both be wrong, obviously. Also, I wouldn't want OBJ on my team either. He's 100x worse as a teammate to me than Smitty ever was. Maybe I have my homer goggles on but w/e.

I do think Gettleman CAN be a good GM and he has no problem making tough decisions. But I do question his ways of handling those situations, based on first person accounts.

The biggest issue here is that Gettleman and Hurney are pretty much polar opposites. Hurney is too close to players, to a fault. Gettleman is too distant from his players, to a fault.

[frash.exe]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I get it, Dave. You are butt hurt because JR was spending time on jeans day and didn't have the time to devote to building up your waist sized ego. But.....let's be honest, you really ran yourself out of town by drafting as impotently as the 1990's Bengals and doing it while claiming you were some sort of prodigy. 

It just makes Panthers fans laugh all the more that even bottom five GM Marty Hurney(ver. 2.0.1) has managed a roster better than you have in NY currently. By all means though, please tell everyone what a stud Daniel Jones is going to be and how multiple teams in the league were pining to take him in the top 15. Brilliant, sir. 

should i just call it a lost cause and put you on that ignore list now or keep going back and forth just to see how incomprehensibly uncreative you can get just to keep this wack bit going?

[frash.exe]

12 minutes ago, Bronn said:

FWIW I feel you on your response to me. I have no real dog in the Hurney/Gettleman fight TBQH, and I felt a lot of the way you did. Based on our past conversations, I know we disagree about Smitty, but other than that our views are probably pretty similar.

That said, don't look down your nose at anyone based on your particular geographic location. I know the inverse has been true, too. A lot of people don't like Gettleman primarily because he comes across as a brash goomba yankee, and I don't think that's right either. But c'mon man, you're better than this.

PS: It was still funny, though.

i don’t, i just know what to say to dig into someone’s sensibilities. obviously kungfoowhatever is passionate about the north/south thing and i must have made him feel inferior.

and yea from some of the posts i’ve read over the years i can p much tell in general that the simple fact that gettleman drops an r in his speech makes some ppl think of him as the “other”.

[Icege]

27 minutes ago, The Natural said:

He never managed to field a roster that could post consecutive winning seasons. I for one would like to get away from the brand of "success". Please stop touting the 2014 season as some proud accomplishment. He gutted a playoff team and left us with a team that snuck into the playoffs with a losing record only because of how putrid our division was. Do I even need to mention the way he dismantled our roster in historic fashion after 2015? Regardless of how you constantly try to spin it the other way Dave Gettleman is not a successful GM.

This is so incredibly misleading that I'm dumbfounded as to how somebody could actually believe it. If you're open to being challenged as to why that is the furthest thing from the truth, I'd be happy to address it.

Otherwise, I'll just continue reading. This is one of those issues unfortunately where most people have made their decisions, regardless of whether or not they are well-informed.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Bronn said:

To Gettleman's credit, I did rank Jones pretty highly myself. We could both be wrong, obviously. Also, I wouldn't want OBJ on my team either. He's 100x worse as a teammate to me than Smitty ever was. Maybe I have my homer goggles on but w/e.

I do think Gettleman CAN be a good GM and he has no problem making tough decisions. But I do question his ways of handling those situations, based on first person accounts.

The biggest issue here is that Gettleman and Hurney are pretty much polar opposites. Hurney is too close to players, to a fault. Gettleman is too distant from his players, to a fault.

I did not. The history of QB's with completion percentage issues in college making a successful transition to the NFL level is not very kind. Can he be a franchise QB? Possibly. I just don't see enough raw material to warrant a top 10 pick. Nor did most of the rest of the league. Now, you take him in the 2nd or 3rd round, no big deal. If he's a bust, whatever. 

I don't think he can be a good GM because I think his early successes here(especially hitting on so many dumpster dive pick ups) realllllllly went to his head. People can even forgive you being an asshole, if you are a brilliant asshole. He isn't. Reference some of his panic drafts. He also has the inherent need to be the "smartest guy in the room" to a fault. Sometimes you are just wrong about things, but he seems to have a problem with that.

The truth is, Dave/frash.exe did a fantastic job unwinding us from the cap hell that Hurney left in Carolina. He did a good job with his early dumpster dive moves and had some very good drafts. But, in the end his drafts got progressively worse and his dumpster dives were less and less successful. Hurney was similar. Early success that steadily went downhill. Another true statement, NEITHER of them are good GM's. They are well below average to average, at their very best. 

[Icege]

I continually hear people reference Gettleman's ego and mention things like he let his early success go to his head.

Does anybody that is promoting that narrative have anything to back it up with?

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

should i just call it a lost cause and put you on that ignore list now or keep going back and forth just to see how incomprehensibly uncreative you can get just to keep this wack bit going?

I'm actually having a lot of fun watching you invent words and butcher the English language in a ham handed attempt at insult comedy. I am more than willing to carry on. I have some time to kill before an event this evening.

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, Icege said:

I continually hear people reference Gettleman's ego and mention things like he let his early success go to his head.

Does anybody that is promoting that narrative have anything to back it up with?

Reference Jon Beason's comments about the JR and Gettleman relationship and his quip about it being "one big ego trip" or something similar. It's been mentioned by some other journalists/beat writers as well. 

I mean, if you want hard evidence, that's probably going to be pretty slim. Anything is going to be basically anecdotal. 

I don't expect we will find a smoking gun of him shouting "I HAVE AN ENORMOUS EGO!!!"

[Bronn]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I did not. The history of QB's with completion percentage issues in college making a successful transition to the NFL level is not very kind. Can he be a franchise QB? Possibly. I just don't see enough raw material to warrant a top 10 pick. Nor did most of the rest of the league. Now, you take him in the 2nd or 3rd round, no big deal. If he's a bust, whatever. 

I don't think he can be a good GM because I think his early successes here(especially hitting on so many dumpster dive pick ups) realllllllly went to his head. People can even forgive you being an asshole, if you are a brilliant asshole. He isn't. Reference some of his panic drafts. He also has the inherent need to be the "smartest guy in the room" to a fault. Sometimes you are just wrong about things, but he seems to have a problem with that.

The truth is, Dave/frash.exe did a fantastic job unwinding us from the cap hell that Hurney left in Carolina. He did a good job with his early dumpster dive moves and had some very good drafts. But, in the end his drafts got progressively worse and his dumpster dives were less and less successful. Hurney was similar. Early success that steadily went downhill. Another true statement, NEITHER of them are good GM's. They are well below average to average, at their very best. 

I really think Jones was the best QB in this class. I try to watch guys' mechanics, etc. in game situations, and I try not to buy into the hype that the top guys get. Jones showed the most promise to me as a developmental pro.

That said, I don't think you take him that early at all. I didn't like any of the QBs to be taken in the top 15 this year, based on talent compared to previous years.

I can agree to disagree. I like both you and frash, as far as I can remember, as posters. I can see where you're both coming from in this one  though, so it is tough.

[frash.exe]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I'm actually having a lot of fun watching you invent words and butcher the English language in a ham handed attempt at insult comedy. I am more than willing to carry on. I have some time to kill before an event this evening.

have fun at your uncle’s/cousin’s wedding 

i’ll talk to you never

[TheRed]

Honestly, grown men like frash.exe notifying other men they are putting them on their ignore list over something like this is just pure gold.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

have fun at your uncle’s/cousin’s wedding 

i’ll talk to you never

Poor Dave. I hurt his little feelings.