Gettleman is getting absolutely destroyed by national media... STILL

[jfra78]

Hurney 1.0 sucked, DG sucked, but Hurney 2.0 is killing it. As a FAN,  I'd rather believe that Hurney is better this time around, than to be constantly woried about him screwing up.  It does me no good because i couldnt do anything about it anyway. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Hurney 1.0 sucked, DG sucked, but Hurney 2.0 is killing it. As a FAN,  I'd rather believe that Hurney is better this time around, than to be constantly woried about him screwing up.  It does me no good because i couldnt do anything about it anyway. 

If we brought back Jimmy Clausen would you choose, as a fan, to believe that he'll be better this time?

[jfra78]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If we brought back Jimmy Clausen would you choose, as a fan, to believe that he'll be better this time?

you can be miserable worried about hurney messing up if you want.  So far he seems to be doing a fine job.  You cant see this because you keep worrying about the screw up that may or may not happen.

[WOW!!]

I'm not getting into this.. But this whole Hurney is going to fail so why should I support anything he does is completely ludicrous ..  be a fan that's it..

[Car123]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If we brought back Jimmy Clausen would you choose, as a fan, to believe that he'll be better this time?

Apples to oranges 

[SmokinwithWilly]

7 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Hurney 1.0 sucked, DG sucked, but Hurney 2.0 is killing it. As a FAN,  I'd rather believe that Hurney is better this time around, than to be constantly woried about him screwing up.  It does me no good because i couldnt do anything about it anyway. 

I wouldn't say 2.0 is killing it, I'd say he's doing better than originally expected when re-hired. We finished 7-9 last season after a 6-2 start. I could say that it's all because Cam got hurt, but that's not entirely true. Rivera hired Washington at DC, which was a brain stumper from the start, and Ron was still trotting Cam onto the field when it was obvious to anyone with 2 eyes that he was hurt. That's the 2nd time in Cam's career he's done that, both times requiring surgery. His FA acquisitions were meh, Poe was crap, and Reid was average IMO, and Anderson wasn't even used. Part of the GMs job is to manage the roster, and since Ron wouldn't shut Cam down because his ass was on the line, Hurney should have. You don't risk your franchise QB suffering a worse injury or career ending when it's obvious he's not right. For me, that's not forgivable.

He did get a steal in getting a 3rd for KB, the Anderson deal was beautiful even though it didn't work out, and he's made some decent looking moves in FA this year that are yet to be determined. I'm not a huge fan of the draft. I like Burns, Little and the trade cost didn't feel good to me, but I hope to be proven wrong. I thought we should have gone S instead of QB in the 3rd, 4th and on are a crap shoot. 

Hurney's job is to keep Rivera's head out of his ass, and he didn't do that IMO. I genuinely hope that the Panthers succeed and that will require Hurney being better than his first stint. I hope he's learned from his mistakes, but I'm not constantly worried about him screwing up.  If he's not getting the job done, then I hope Tepper has the brass to move on. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

DG wasn't a bad GM, I'd say he was average, maybe slightly better than. He had his hits and misses in the draft. KB is the we'll never know of his tenure here. He could have been something special, but he just wasn't the same after his knee and the grief of loss. DGs arrogance and people skills were his glaring weakness, his strengths, the ability to put together a competitive team on a bargain budget and get us out of cap hell. He also wasn't a yes man to JR and Rivera. 

Hurney 1.0 had a gift in the first round of the draft, the rest, not so much. He spent recklessly and got owned in draft day trades. His trade with the Bears for Olsen was straight up theft. He left this team in cap hell and had 3 winning seasons in 11. I'd put his tenure at below average to just below. 

It's easy to say DG already had the core put together for him by Hurney and that's true. It's also true that he got Cam by building the worst team in the NFL and Luke was an early pick also. 

If we  could combine DG's ability to find late round and UDFAs, get bargain basement guys to fill in the holes, and manage the cap with Hurney's 1st round drafting ability, personel management, and in season trade robbery together, we'd have an above average to really good GM. 

It's too early to grade Hurney 2.0. 

Dg went from executive of the year to maybe the top 5 worst gm in the league starting in 2016,  when I compare the two in draft picks, team success, free agents, ect there’s not a glaring difference. We flogged hurney and rightfully so when he was fired, the same should be said for dg. I will say both have had not so great head coaches as gm’s, I think Rivera poses another assortment of issues the gm’s shouldn’t be responsible for. Both had there huge flaws but doing a side by side comparison, it’s not like dg was far superior than hurney in the end 

[Cpt slay a ho]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hoping for the Panthers to be successful is not the same as hoping for Hurney to be successful.

I don't believe in Marty. That's why I think the team will be more successful if they move on from him. Now that said, the tightrope you have to walk is also not wanting to watch the team lose. I have absolutely no desire to see that happen regardless of who's in charge. Those two things can be at cross purposes, but what can you do?

Not believing in Marty doesn't equal hoping the team loses. it does involve believing the team is more likely to lose as long as Marty is in charge. Hence, the hope that that situation will soon be rectified.

I’m glad you clarified in the ending paragraphs because the first part doesn’t add up.

i don’t believe in Rivera, but I hope to Hell the lightbulb comes on even though I have a strong feeling it won’t. Because I know in order for us to move on from him, it’s going to cost us a losing season, another wasted year of cams career, another wasted year of Luke’s career etc. not believing in hurney is one thing but people comparing every single gm move he made to 2011 or a previous stint is bogus. 

[WOW!!]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If we brought back Jimmy Clausen would you choose, as a fan, to believe that he'll be better this time?

The point is it's already done.. We can't change the fact that he is GM now.. So why be negative and not objective?? Why not look at each move in a vacuum.. Why not give the benefit doubt that you gave Gman... If you want the team to be successful than you have to hope Hurney's is successful.. If you're looking for the team to fail because you hate Hurney?? Why are you here?? 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

The point is it's already done.. We can't change the fact that he is GM now.. So why be negative and not objective?? Why not look at each move in a vacuum.. Why not give the benefit doubt that you gave Gman... If you want the team to be successful than you have to hope Hurney's is successful.. If you're looking for the team to fail because you hate Hurney?? Why are you here?? 

Being objective and coming away with a negative conclusion are not mutually exclusive.

What a lot of people seem to have trouble understanding is that there's a big difference between what you hope to happen and what you believe will happen.

If Jimmy Clausen were our starting quarterback I would absolutely hope that we have a winning season and a Super Bowl victory.

I damn sure wouldn't expect it.

Ditto a team with Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney running things. I can have all the hope in the world that they need the team to a championship, and I do.

My belief as to whether they're actually capable of it is a whole other story.

Is a terrible season that leads us to changes at the top a good thing overall for our future? Probably. That doesn't mean I want to see it. I don't. Regardless of whether I believe in the leadership, I still don't want to watch my team lose.

The nightmare scenario of course is a "good enough" season, a 500 finish or some such. We're still sitting at home when the postseason comes around, but the two people most responsible for mediocrity still get to keep their jobs.

I've been through enough of those with Marty Hurney already.I don't need to see a bunch more.

[Mr. Scot]

15 hours ago, WOW!! said:

The point is it's already done.. We can't change the fact that he is GM now.. So why be negative and not objective?? Why not look at each move in a vacuum.. Why not give the benefit doubt that you gave Gman... If you want the team to be successful than you have to hope Hurney's is successful.. If you're looking for the team to fail because you hate Hurney?? Why are you here?? 

Lemme add a follow up to this to look at it from another side.

I don't hate Marty Hurney. I have no reason to.

I don't hate Ron Rivera. Just the opposite. Everything I've seen leads me to believe he's an extremely good guy.

Hell, I don't even hate Jimmy Clausen. Again, no reason.

The common denominator? I don't believe any of them are very good at their jobs.

That doesn't require hate. It's an evaluation of skills. Again, this seems like something that should be easy to understand, but a whole lot of people just don't seem to get it.

Like I said before, the whole crux of the debate is emotional thinking vs practical thinking. People who think emotionally assume that you do too. When you don't, they don't get it.

Believing that somebody isn't very good at something is not the same as hating them.

If people get nothing else out of this discussion, I hope they at least get that.

[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Being objective and coming away with a negative conclusion are not mutually exclusive.

What a lot of people seem to have trouble understanding is that there's a big difference between what you hope to happen and what you believe will happen.

If Jimmy Clausen were our starting quarterback I would absolutely hope that we have a winning season and a Super Bowl victory.

I damn sure wouldn't expect it.

Ditto a team with Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney running things. I can have all the hope in the world that they need the team to a championship, and I do.

My belief as to whether they're actually capable of it is a whole other story.

Is a terrible season that leads us to changes at the top a good thing overall for our future? Probably. That doesn't mean I want to see it. I don't. Regardless of whether I believe in the leadership, I still don't want to watch my team lose.

The nightmare scenario of course is a "good enough" season, a 500 finish or some such. We're still sitting at home when the postseason comes around, but the two people most responsible for mediocrity still get to keep their jobs.

I've been through enough of those with Marty Hurney already.I don't need to see a bunch more.

It would be cool if you and others were actually doing that.. But you're not .. Let's be real..  Some of you have basically crap on every move no matter how good or bad it was.. I have no problem in being objective and not likeing every move.. But some of the logic is bullshit.. And reality check very biased..

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

It would be cool if you and others were actually doing that.. But you're not .. Let's be real..  Some of you have basically crap on every move no matter how good or bad it was.. I have no problem in being objective and not likeing every move.. But some of the logic is bullshit.. And reality check very biased..

Wrong again.

I haven't "crapped on" the majority of moves made this offseason, or last offseason for that matter. Like any other year, there are moves that I've liked and moves that I didn't.

What I have been is cautious about getting too excited because that's who I am.

Heck, I was pretty happy with us getting CJ Anderson last offseason because he was a player I'd liked for a long time. How it turned out? Not so much. And again, that's why you don't set your expectations too high.

Now if you're the kind of person who screams "OMG Super Bowl" every time we sign a third string fullback, you probably don't get this mindset. But that's me, and others.

[WOW!!]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Wrong again.

I haven't "crapped on" the majority of moves made this offseason, or last offseason for that matter. Like any other year, there are moves that I've liked and moves that I didn't.

What I have been is cautious about getting too excited because that's who I am.

Heck, I was pretty happy with us getting CJ Anderson last offseason because he was a player I'd liked for a long time. How it turned out? Not so much. And again, that's why you don't set your expectations too high.

Now if you're the kind of person who screams "OMG Super Bowl" every time we sign a third string fullback, you probably don't get this mindset. But that's me, and others.

Cool .. moving on..