Gettleman is getting absolutely destroyed by national media... STILL

[PanthersBigD]

Mr. Scot: I'm above the fray, kid. I'm not mad, you can tell by the . 

LOL

 

Another favorite, the  when there's nothing actually puzzling. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I don’t know why we can’t say dg was a bad gm without hurney somehow making his way In.

 

i just want the same energy some got for hurney towards dg, that’s fair 

DG wasn't a bad GM, I'd say he was average, maybe slightly better than. He had his hits and misses in the draft. KB is the we'll never know of his tenure here. He could have been something special, but he just wasn't the same after his knee and the grief of loss. DGs arrogance and people skills were his glaring weakness, his strengths, the ability to put together a competitive team on a bargain budget and get us out of cap hell. He also wasn't a yes man to JR and Rivera. 

Hurney 1.0 had a gift in the first round of the draft, the rest, not so much. He spent recklessly and got owned in draft day trades. His trade with the Bears for Olsen was straight up theft. He left this team in cap hell and had 3 winning seasons in 11. I'd put his tenure at below average to just below. 

It's easy to say DG already had the core put together for him by Hurney and that's true. It's also true that he got Cam by building the worst team in the NFL and Luke was an early pick also. 

If we  could combine DG's ability to find late round and UDFAs, get bargain basement guys to fill in the holes, and manage the cap with Hurney's 1st round drafting ability, personel management, and in season trade robbery together, we'd have an above average to really good GM. 

It's too early to grade Hurney 2.0. 

[Moorgan]

^^^^^^^^^^ This right here is level headed and fair.

/thread

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

Mr. Scot: I'm above the fray, kid. I'm not mad, you can tell by the . 

LOL

Amused is more like it, primarily because a lot of the anti-Gettleman stuff comes from some of our less than football savvy posters.

(many of the comments in this thread are no exception)

White nights like yourself can be amusing too, such as when you recently rode into a thread to chide me for so savagely pointing out that we were going to a 3-4 defense

[Car123]

Jesus, Scot needs counseling.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

DG wasn't a bad GM, I'd say he was average, maybe slightly better than. He had his hits and misses in the draft. KB is the we'll never know of his tenure here. He could have been something special, but he just wasn't the same after his knee and the grief of loss. DGs arrogance and people skills were his glaring weakness, his strengths, the ability to put together a competitive team on a bargain budget and get us out of cap hell. He also wasn't a yes man to JR and Rivera. 

Hurney 1.0 had a gift in the first round of the draft, the rest, not so much. He spent recklessly and got owned in draft day trades. His trade with the Bears for Olsen was straight up theft. He left this team in cap hell and had 3 winning seasons in 11. I'd put his tenure at below average to just below. 

It's easy to say DG already had the core put together for him by Hurney and that's true. It's also true that he got Cam by building the worst team in the NFL and Luke was an early pick also. 

If we  could combine DG's ability to find late round and UDFAs, get bargain basement guys to fill in the holes, and manage the cap with Hurney's 1st round drafting ability, personel management, and in season trade robbery together, we'd have an above average to really good GM. 

It's too early to grade Hurney 2.0. 

I'd have a little higher opinion of Gettleman than "average" but this is a fair take.

As for Hurney, for me to have a higher opinion of him than his first go round, he's going to need to show me something that he hasn't shown me yet.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

Jesus, Scot needs counseling.

Nah

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd have a little higher opinion of Gettleman than "average" but this is a fair take.

As for Hurney, for me to have a higher opinion of him than his first go round, he's going to need to show me something that he hasn't shown me yet.

What brought him down to average for me was the ego, and spending 1st rounders on Butler and Shaq when there were glaring other needs, trading up to grab Funch in the 2nd when we already had KB who was very much the same type of receiver, and the albatross contract of Matt Kalil. I didn't have a problem bringing him in, but that kind of contract for a guy that just had a surgically repaired hip was asinine. 

[Toomers]

35 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Same...I’ve never argued that Hurney is a better GM than Gettleman, I just find the double standards quite obnoxious and intellectually dishonest. If it seems like I’m more pro-Hurney, it’s cause he’s our GM and I’m rooting for his success. I couldn’t care less about the GM for another team. You can say “Oh I don’t have to fall in line and root for everything the team does”, which is fine, but to legitimately adopt the mindset that our franchise is doomed because of our GM and/or coach just sounds quite miserable tbh. If I ever felt like I was starting to perpetually harbor that kind of negativity, I would feel inclined to distance myself from the team indefinitely. Again, I’m not saying that this is how other people should feel, but I can’t personally conceptualize or rationalize that kind of behavior.

What exactly are these double standards you speak of that are quite obnoxious and intellectually dishonest? I’d like to see the list. And do you find comments about Hurney the same way? 

[GoobyPls]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Keep trying, kid

It it may not be particularly interesting, but at least it's amusing.

 

You're hero is a joke

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

What brought him down to average for me was the ego, and spending 1st rounders on Butler and Shaq when there were glaring other needs, trading up to grab Funch in the 2nd when we already had KB who was very much the same type of receiver, and the albatross contract of Matt Kalil. I didn't have a problem bringing him in, but that kind of contract for a guy that just had a surgically repaired hip was asinine. 

Kalil still makes me wonder.

There are a lot of people who theorized that was a Jerry Richardson decision. It's possible. I know Bill Voth said repeatedly that year that Gettleman had been directed by Richardson to "spend money", and some of his spending ended up being outside his usual character.

That said, Hurney doesn't get a pass for bowing to Richardson's whims, and neither would Gettleman. The execution of the contracts still belongs to the GM even if it was what the owner wanted.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

 

You're hero is a joke

My hero isn't an NFL general manager, or an NFL anything actually.

And FYI, keeping up the childish and emotional stuff isn't making you look any smarter.

[Cpt slay a ho]

17 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Same...I’ve never argued that Hurney is a better GM than Gettleman, I just find the double standards quite obnoxious and intellectually dishonest. If it seems like I’m more pro-Hurney, it’s cause he’s our GM and I’m rooting for his success. I couldn’t care less about the GM for another team. You can say “Oh I don’t have to fall in line and root for everything the team does”, which is fine, but to legitimately adopt the mindset that our franchise is doomed because of our GM and/or coach just sounds quite miserable tbh. If I ever felt like I was starting to perpetually harbor that kind of negativity, I would feel inclined to distance myself from the team indefinitely. Again, I’m not saying that this is how other people should feel, but I can’t personally conceptualize or rationalize that kind of behavior.

I mean this is what most rational people think I hope, I’m pro hurney 2.0 because not being is hoping the team fails, which his failures would set the franchise back even further.

hoping hurney learned from his previous stint is always linked to some indictment on dg, which is one of the more annoying things on this board, im glad we moved on and im optimistic about the future 

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I mean this is what most rational people think I hope, I’m pro hurney 2.0 because not being is hoping the team fails, which his failures would set the franchise back even further.

hoping hurney learned from his previous stint is always linked to some indictment on dg, which is one of the more annoying things on this board, im glad we moved on and im optimistic about the future 

Hoping for the Panthers to be successful is not the same as hoping for Hurney to be successful.

I don't believe in Marty. That's why I think the team will be more successful if they move on from him. Now that said, the tightrope you have to walk is also not wanting to watch the team lose. I have absolutely no desire to see that happen regardless of who's in charge. Those two things can be at cross purposes, but what can you do?

Not believing in Marty doesn't equal hoping the team loses. it does involve believing the team is more likely to lose as long as Marty is in charge. Hence, the hope that that situation will soon be rectified.