PRO FOOTBALL FOCUS: Panthers draft was excellent

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

59 minutes ago, Jackofalltrades said:

Funny because I saw something earlier that said Dallas and NO had the best drafts. 

I saw that too.  Made me facepalm.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2833469-mike-freemans-nfl-draft-notebook-saints-cowboys-both-win-big-in-nashville

No clue how giving up 62nd, 202nd, 2020 2nd round, to move up 14 spots to 48th makes you one of the big winners.  They did this for a center.

For comparison Panthers gave up 47 and 77 to move up 10 slots to 37.  

Best part is?  I see multiple ESPN analysts pointing out the "Jimmy Johnson chart" so show how we over paid.  Panthers gave up 625 "points" compared to 530 for Seattle.  New Orleans gave up 579 points (this assumes their 2nd round of next year is the same as this year, and they are the 3rd best team..so their 2020 pick could easily be worth more) compared to 482.

These both work out to the same ratio of "over payment".

Yet the Saints apparently were a big winner for continuing to give up future picks.

 

[panthers55]

I am optimistic since the success of a player is dependent on a number of factors not least of which is the coaching staff. Matso has done a pretty good job developing guys to their potential. All Hurney had to do is ensure they have the physical attributes and hate to lose (On Cam's team you better hate it). The staff will make sure they understand the techniques and develop their moves.   I think Scott Turner will do a good job developing Grier since that was his boy and he lobbied for him. Now prove you are right and coach him up. We need a competent backup it has been a while since Cam has really been 100%. He is just too physical for his own good.

 

 

[MHS831]

After studying the visit  list  to see what were were focus was, DE and LOT were our targets.  We got the DE we probably wanted and it sure seems as if we wanted Little.  We had seven or eight private workouts for Tackles alone--most all of the players with LT experience were brought it.  Buffalo wanted a franchise LT and we leaped over tem.  Cajuste was the next highest rated LT, and he was eventually drafted AFTER we drafted Grier.  Basically,, he was a comp pick.  That was how steep the drop was from Little to the next LT on the board. 

Grier?  I am not buying the "he sucks" mess--he has a year or two to develop.  We will see what we have then.  To me, the thing that ruins the most QBs is having to  play right away for a bad team. He gets to learn on a good team.

Finally, I am warming to day three picks.  We have an attack at Edge now to watch develop, we have a RB, we have a depth T and a depth WR.  Nice draft--people are making fun of the Godwin pick because he is compared to Philly Brown.  Philly had some potential, just could not catch that well at times--the WR core was different then.  Philly was our #3--slot-he won;t be that here.  Apples and Oranges.

We have many ways to claim a S under the cap.  Just be patient.  

[arbnranger]

I actually like it when the huddle rages. It’s entertaining. It can be a little overboard with some but we do have some passionate fans.

Huddlers trend a bit on the fruitcake side of the spectrum but still passionate. 

[Woodie]

5 hours ago, Jackofalltrades said:

Funny because I saw something earlier that said Dallas and NO had the best drafts. 

The problem with most draft grades is that they are based on hype picks.  If you picked a guy that got a lot of pre-draft hype, you'll get a good grade.  Fit, health, other red flags don't matter, the only thing that matters is where THEY projected a player to go and how much you heard his name.

Heck, I heard Kiper talking about how Burns is going to have to really bulk up to play DE in our 4-3 defense.  He's not even aware that we are switching to a 3-4 and that Burns will primarily be playing OLB.  So how can you properly evaluate a pick without even knowing what the scheme will be?  Most are just lazy and without any real TEAM evaluation and what the fit will be.

 

[fortyrod]

9 hours ago, Woodie said:

The problem with most draft grades is that they are based on hype picks.

We must also apply the correct pander/troll offsets, depending on the media outlet. If the source was soft, populist, and non-analytical (ESPN, for example) you can count on a large pander boost being added to anything done by the precious little Cowgirls and Saints. Panther results would often be trolled or ignored completely. We still hold the media underdog card. Play it!

[The Lobo]

9 hours ago, Woodie said:

The problem with most draft grades is that they are based on hype picks.  If you picked a guy that got a lot of pre-draft hype, you'll get a good grade.  Fit, health, other red flags don't matter, the only thing that matters is where THEY projected a player to go and how much you heard his name.

Heck, I heard Kiper talking about how Burns is going to have to really bulk up to play DE in our 4-3 defense.  He's not even aware that we are switching to a 3-4 and that Burns will primarily be playing OLB.  So how can you properly evaluate a pick without even knowing what the scheme will be?  Most are just lazy and without any real TEAM evaluation and what the fit will be.

 

Even if we use him in a 4-3 it will be similar to Anthony Barr and they use a 4-3. They do not look into stuff like that, just blowing hot air.

[wud35]

17 hours ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

I really get annoyed with the huddle “expert” rage every year. Just because you watched college football and YouTube highlight videos doesn’t make you a scout. 

Just because you played high school football and played for your community college for two years doesn’t mean you know more about preparing for games than Rivera.

We all have guys we like and dislike. Acting like a child because we didn’t draft who YOU wanted us to draft isn’t gonna change anything. I wanted a safety as well. I wanted Sweat with our first pick. But I’m absolute stoked to have a freak athlete with leadership quality in Burns. I’m thrilled we addressed LT aggressively. 

I scratched my head drafting Grier and two power RBs late (I know one was a UDFA before someone gets cute). But I hope they turn out to be the  next Rodgers, Lynch and Zeke. 

I didn’t want Hurney back as a GM. But I sure hope he crushes now that he is. Everyone acting pessimistic needs to realize one thing about themselves. You really don’t know poo compared to our scouts and coaches. You don’t know poo about managing these players on and off the field like Rivera and Marty. You don’t know poo about evaluating talent. And if you are hoping our picks fail now instead of getting excited about their potential, then frankly you are just a baby b*tch

But I win at Madden.

[mc52beast]

If you’re basing your grade of this draft as to whether Hurney addressed our needs( minus safety, slot corner) then you have to give him a decent grade. 

But you can’t look at what someone did in college and grade them solely on that, if we get 3-4 starters out of this group then Hurney freaking nailed it. Giving out grades before they play a down in the NFL is just stupid.

[Jackofalltrades]

On 4/28/2019 at 11:33 PM, Woodie said:

The problem with most draft grades is that they are based on hype picks.  If you picked a guy that got a lot of pre-draft hype, you'll get a good grade.  Fit, health, other red flags don't matter, the only thing that matters is where THEY projected a player to go and how much you heard his name.

Heck, I heard Kiper talking about how Burns is going to have to really bulk up to play DE in our 4-3 defense.  He's not even aware that we are switching to a 3-4 and that Burns will primarily be playing OLB.  So how can you properly evaluate a pick without even knowing what the scheme will be?  Most are just lazy and without any real TEAM evaluation and what the fit will be.

 

I guess it’s fun to speculate but that’s all it is. Drafting is nothing more than trying to match probability with needs so to act as though any pundit can grade a draft on anything other than that, with less info than the teams, is stupid. 

I enjoy the draft but have come to loathe all the hype around it for this very reason. 

[Rubi]

The issue I have with the Grier pick, if cam is healthy, he never plays a meaningful minute for Carolina

 

if Cam is hurt, you’re taking a QB with a top pick next draft. 

[Wolfcop]

52 minutes ago, Rubi said:

The issue I have with the Grier pick, if cam is healthy, he never plays a meaningful minute for Carolina

 

if Cam is hurt, you’re taking a QB with a top pick next draft. 

Even if that Is your mindset, we still needed an upgrade at backup QB. 

[NAS]

Wow only 5 other teams got the top grade.  I like

[top dawg]

On 4/28/2019 at 6:17 PM, Seltzer said:

...I would hope that the people who hate this draft can and would express their disappointment while maintaining a respect for debate and also an acknowledgment they know nothing either.

Not gonna happen!