The way too early draft grade!(poll)

[Woodie]

44 minutes ago, thunderraiden said:

I’ve come to peace with the fact that even if we shipped our 100 pick we would have still drafted Grier regardless so it doesn’t change the outcome.

I think this as well.  It sounds like the Panthers are sold on Grier, and would have taken him with our first 3rd anyway.  And to be honest, it makes sense.  We saw last year that the coaches didn't have a lot of trust or confidence in our backups, and it likely cost us the playoffs. 

As a "what if," what if we had a competent backup?  Would the coaches have sat Cam earlier in the year to give his shoulder a chance to rest up so he would be ready for the playoffs?  After all, a competent backup likely would have won at least a couple of those games in the backend of the year, which would have put us in the post-season.  And with some rest, Cam may have been able to get back and make a push in the playoffs. 

As for anyone complaining that it is a waste to use a 3rd on a guy you don't want to play, for the QB, if that guy does have to play he could be the difference between an excitement filled post season and another year of reveling in college all-star games.

IMO, this was actually a very good pick.

[Woodie]

55 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

See I thought about that. Grier was always going to be at 100. 

But if we didn’t trade nobody picked little we could have got another player at 77 or another player at 100. 

So we essentially over valued little too much in my opinion.

Or you're undervaluing him!!!

[Icege]

Loved the Burns pick.

Hated the Little pick and everything that went into it. Too much given up for the amount of picks we had to jump up, and we could have had another LT that didnt go until 23 that Burns spoke highly of (or Little might have even been there, point is there was an LT available at #47). At #77 was Michael Dieter. We could have completely rebuilt the left side of the line for the next 4yrs.

Neutral on Will Grier. I'm more annoyed that we could have walked away with 3 potential starters and a QB2, but Hurney gonna Hurney.

If Little turns out to be a beast, wooooooooot. If he sucks though and Scharping/Dieter accel... madfaaaace

[Mr. Scot]

I - Incomplete

[Chosen Newton]

1 hour ago, Harbingers said:

1: Hurney tried to trade back into the first for a OT that was going to be there at 47 most likely. 

2: Hurney gave up 47+77. Not 47+100 which would have been the fair value trade. Or even 47+4th really.

3: it only seems logical he was floating next year picks to get back in the first round. 

It’s been clear the three players we drafted are who we have been targeting all along. Hurney was willing to give up too much to get them. 

Thus trading grade is an F. But I don’t mind the players at all. 

 

You probably weren’t paying attention to the draft. 

1. Your argument of “he’d likely be there at 47” is complete bs. 5 Tackles (4 in the first, 1 in the second) went before panthers traded up to get Little. Little was the only pure left tackle remaining on the board. No way he would have fallen 10 picks. And if you were paying attention to the draft, you’d notice bills immediately traded up to get Cody Ford because just like you guys, they probably had assumed he’d fall to them and realized, “oh wait, no he’s not”. And then 4 picks later, broncos draft Risner. So no, he wouldn’t have made it to us at 47. Just because people don’t like a player, doesn’t mean you can just say  “he would have been there at our pick”. 

2. Fair value doesn’t matter. If they’re trying to beat another teams offer, they will have to give more than the market value for it. It became obvious bills were trying to trade up but Panthers beat them so they traded for the next pick. 

3. Aaand you are wrong again. The Giants and Falcons traded back into the 1st and neither of them gave up a future pick.

 

[ForJimmy]

They were considering Little at 16, to get him in the 2nd is a steal value wise.

[TalonNC]

I gave it a A but wish i could give it a B+....... 

 

1. Burns A+ Simple

2. I don't know if BUF gave us a heads up or what cause they traded right behind us... and we started the RUN on OL in the 2nd round Little would have been gone at 47 based on how the draft turns out i think Yodney was only pure T left on the board at that point. So going to get OUR guy i'm ok with...

3. I agree if we had traded the 100 pick we would have just takin grier at 77. so either way same result... I would have preferred a S. which brings my grade down. 

[Harbingers]

27 minutes ago, Chosen Newton said:

You probably weren’t paying attention to the draft. 

1. Your argument of “he’d likely be there at 47” is complete bs. 5 Tackles (4 in the first, 1 in the second) went before panthers traded up to get Little. Little was the only pure left tackle remaining on the board.

Two teams traded ahead of us to get other tackles. 

So we looked at a mid range 2. Neither of the teams that Hurney dreaded would take our starling tackle took him.

I don’t think you understand any of what I said. 

As for the rest of your response. Let me remind you, there are 31 other teams and they don’t have the same needs as us.

[Peppers90 NC]

If we can still land Johnson somehow I’ll give this draft an A

[45catfan]

C+ so far.  This draft, to this point, is strictly boom or bust.  Could it be an "A" draft?  Yes, but it also has the makings of a "C" draft or worse.  The Panthers drafted a 3rd rounder as a bench warming back up QB, losing a 3rd rounder to move up and get a long projected first round OT whose stock steadily fell all spring (yesterday proved to be true) and a "tweener" or hybrid DE/OLB in the first round knowing our past history with undersized ends in our base 4-3 defense.   Typical Panthers draft and yet another one in a LONG line where I'm left scratching my head.

If Hurney does some day 3 magic and snags a gem or two, this draft could get as high as a B+.

[Chosen Newton]

31 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Two teams traded ahead of us to get other tackles. 

So we looked at a mid range 2. Neither of the teams that Hurney dreaded would take our starling tackle took him.

I don’t think you understand any of what I said. 

As for the rest of your response. Let me remind you, there are 31 other teams and they don’t have the same needs as us.

I understood what you said, broke it down, and responded perfectly. Go back and read it. This response of yours doesn’t say anything. You’re just responding to say something back. Pretty useless comment. None of what you said proves Little would have been there at 47 

[LinvilleGorge]

1st round: A. We badly needed an edge rusher and we got one with a ton of upside.

2nd round: C-. Not a fan of Little, especially not a fan of trading our first 3rd to go up and get him. Hope I'm wrong.

3rd round: C. I think the Grier pick in and of itself is fine at #100. Just not sure we could afford to take a backup QB in the first three rounds after trading away one of those picks.

At the end of the day, I wanted to come out of the first three rounds with an edge rusher, an OL, and a FS. We got two the three. We failed miserably at addressing FS, per usual.

[Harbingers]

16 minutes ago, Chosen Newton said:

I understood what you said, broke it down, and responded perfectly. Go back and read it. This response of yours doesn’t say anything. You’re just responding to say something back. Pretty useless comment. None of what you said proves Little would have been there at 47 

Ya. No you didn’t. No need to continue this conversation. 

[Panthero]

4 hours ago, Harbingers said:

1: Hurney tried to trade back into the first for a OT that was going to be there at 47 most likely. 

2: Hurney gave up 47+77. Not 47+100 which would have been the fair value trade. Or even 47+4th really.

3: it only seems logical he was floating next year picks to get back in the first round. 

It’s been clear the three players we drafted are who we have been targeting all along. Hurney was willing to give up too much to get them. 

Thus trading grade is an F. But I don’t mind the players at all. 

 

Listen teams knew we wanted Little, they also knew buffalo was going to take him. Hurney had no choice, if he had to have Little. If the guy was a first round grade for us, then it was a very good trade. If our grading is wrong, were fooked. 

It could have been worse, Hurney tried to get him in the first round.