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Official general NFL Draft Day 2 open thread


ncfan

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27 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Not panthers directly related

But live look at the Raiders dumpster fire

What do you mean by dumpster fire? Raiders actually had a good first round. You would be bad at your job if you didn't take a tremendous talent due to their agent...... 

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Ferrell that high probably the biggest reach and shocker in the draft

Rapp that high over some of these other safeties after trading off Mack and Cooper and sending home all their scouts this week

 

Yeah maybe it isnt a dumpster fire

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so Fanspeak is updated for today (won't be tomorrow).

Here's how one run showed the 2nd rd picks up to ours.

33: R2P1
OT JAWAAN TAYLOR
ARIZONA CARDINALS
34: R2P2
WR A.J. BROWN
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
35: R2P3
DL DREMONT JONES
OAKLAND RAIDERS
36: R2P4
WR D.K. METCALF
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
37: R2P5
CB GREEDY WILLIAMS
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
38: R2P6
OT CODY FORD
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
39: R2P7
CB BYRON MURPHY
TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
40: R2P8
 
G DALTON RISNER
BUFFALO BILLS
41: R2P9
 
CB JULIAN LOVE
DENVER BRONCOS
42: R2P10
QB DREW LOCK
CINCINNATI BENGALS
43: R2P11
 
WR DEEBO SAMUEL
DETROIT LIONS
44: R2P12
TE IRV SMITH
GREEN BAY PACKERS
45: R2P13
 
CB ROCK YA-SIN
LA RAMS
46: R2P14
CB TRAYVON MULLEN
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
 
 
and here's the big board for us to choose from...
 
32 S  NASIR ADDERLEY - DELAWARE
33 S  TAYLOR RAPP - WASHINGTON
39 WR  PARRIS CAMPBELL - OHIO STATE
43 WR  HAKEEM BUTLER - IOWA STATE
44 S  CHAUNCEY GARDNER-JOHNSON - FLORIDA
45 S  JUAN THORNHILL - VIRGINIA
46 S  DEIONTE THOMPSON - ALABAMA
49 CB  JUSTIN LAYNE - MICHIGAN STATE
50 C  ERIK MCCOY - TEXAS A&M
51 OT  GREG LITTLE - MISSISSIPPI
53 C  ELGTON JENKINS - MISSISSIPPI STATE
55 EDGE  CHASE WINOVICH - MICHIGAN
57 RB  DAVID MONTGOMERY - IOWA STATE
58 LB  MACK WILSON - ALABAMA
59 WR  RILEY RIDLEY - GEORGIA
61 RB  DAMIEN HARRIS - ALABAMA
62 WR  JJ ARCEGA-WHITESIDE - STANFORD
63 WR  KELVIN HARMON - NC STATE
64 EDGE  JACHAI POLITE - FLORIDA
65 EDGE  OSHANE XIMINES - OLD DOMINION
66 EDGE  JAYLON FERGUSON - LOUISIANA TECH
67 CB  JOEJUAN WILLIAMS - VANDERBILT
68 OT  YODNY CAJUSTE - WEST VIRGINIA
69 CB  LONNIE JOHNSON - KENTUCKY
 
lot of choices that should make most of us happy...OL, FS.  
 
 
 
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1 hour ago, stbugs said:

I’m good right where we are. Plenty of guys we like and you’ve got picks 78, 100 and 115. Plenty we can do with those and heck I’d be fine using next year’s 3rd to move up. FS, G, T and DL are strengths right now. Even CB. Next year’s draft is certainly not going to be as DL good and is supposed to be OL weak. If we shoot our wad, do it this year with next year’s picks. We are already at a point where shouldn’t have to worry about using next year’s 1st or 2nd.

@Marty2.0 If you trade next year’s third here’s about what you could do:

Move 47 to 33

Move 78 to 53-55

Move 100 to 64ish

Move 115 to 72ish

Move 100 and 115 to 56ish

Move 78 and 115 to 45

Given the possibility  that the Panthers could potentially need to enter the QB rat race next draft I don't feel comfortable  giving up picks there. 

Id actually prefer to ship off some 5-7 picks for future middlish round picks to partially prepare for that contingency. 

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2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Not me. If Cam is in trouble then we are picking high next year and the 3rd isn’t going to be enough to move us much anyway. The 2nd and future 1st would have to be used. If Cam is Ok then we just need a backup and we would have gotten a ton of value for a pick that ended up lower than expected. This draft suits us so I’d like to get as much as possible. If we stay put, I’m cool as well lots that I like left. 

Cam was in trouble last season and we picked in the literal middle of the draft.  3rd round picks have been hugely functional in first round movement. 

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