For those on the DT Train at 16...

[SetfreexX]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

And playing hybrids makes the need for versatile DT/DEs a necessity. 

What is our 3 man front right now? Who is our SDE in 4-3? How many if any of our current players at DT/DE will be here next year? 

  Don’t know if they will, but there are numerous reasons for a player like Wilkins who can fill multiple holes. 

KK / Poe / Love / Butler

But you have to realize NFL trends as well when you think 4-3 vs 3-4 -- now more than any other time teams are running 'Nickel' defense upwards of 60% of the time and more to handle the expanded use of ''11'' personnel by NFL offenses, meaning whether you run a 3-4 or 4-3 you're gonna feature smaller lineups with a blend of run stopping potential as well as pass rush. 

This means quality edge personnel is still at a ''premium'' having a guy like Wilkins, or Lawrence is great BUT they're not playing over Poe or KK this year, the biggest gap is the edge of the defense. While some of you are uncomfortable with -- KK / Poe / Love + depth

We're in even worse shape - Addison / Irvin / ????

Edge is the one place aside from LG where a rookie could come in Day 1 and be a starter. KK / Poe are going to be demoted - the team's investment in them is too much. 

So while having a versatile big guy is a (+) you need edge players 1) for the 3-4 looks, and 2) as the primary edge rushers on passing downs. I think we will need to look to coaching to maximize the current interior DL potential. Play calling defensively can make a huge impact for two guys we've seen to be dominate at the NFL level (Poe / KK). 

And even though KK had a down year, he still was one of the higher rated interior DL in the league (2018) -- it's not all about sacks, he's not Donald or Cox but he's catching a lot of heat here in my opinion. (You can't argue the names on that list even if you are a casual) 

And he still wrapped the season with a quality grade as well. 

 

[SetfreexX]

10 minutes ago, Little Goody Two Shoes said:

Don't we typically meet with guys we have ?'s on and not guys we are certain about? 

Most teams meet for that as well as with prospects they really like, looking at 2018 -- our first two picks were from the ''PRI'' list. Again I'm just working off of Hurney 2.0 if time allows we'll have a bigger sample. 

Conventional wisdom leads me to believe our early picks will follow a similar pattern, I could always be way off, but I'm basing my thoughts on the available, relevant, and recent info. 

[SetfreexX]

Again in a year where the ''ENTIRE DEFENSE'' regressed a bit under Washington & poor position coaches (Washington demoted, and the DL, and secondary coaches were replaced), even Poe provided quality play inside:

Just too much information out there that says to me -- Edge is the favorite, while OL, and then potentially interior DL are the options early. 

[Toomers]

37 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

KK / Poe / Love / Butler

But you have to realize NFL trends as well when you think 4-3 vs 3-4 -- now more than any other time teams are running 'Nickel' defense upwards of 60% of the time and more to handle the expanded use of ''11'' personnel by NFL offenses, meaning whether you run a 3-4 or 4-3 you're gonna feature smaller lineups with a blend of run stopping potential as well as pass rush. 

This means quality edge personnel is still at a ''premium'' having a guy like Wilkins, or Lawrence is great BUT they're not playing over Poe or KK this year, the biggest gap is the edge of the defense. While some of you are uncomfortable with -- KK / Poe / Love + depth

We're in even worse shape - Addison / Irvin / ????

Edge is the one place aside from LG where a rookie could come in Day 1 and be a starter. KK / Poe are going to be demoted - the team's investment in them is too much. 

So while having a versatile big guy is a (+) you need edge players 1) for the 3-4 looks, and 2) as the primary edge rushers on passing downs. I think we will need to look to coaching to maximize the current interior DL potential. Play calling defensively can make a huge impact for two guys we've seen to be dominate at the NFL level (Poe / KK). 

And even though KK had a down year, he still was one of the higher rated interior DL in the league (2018) -- it's not all about sacks, he's not Donald or Cox but he's catching a lot of heat here in my opinion. (You can't argue the names on that list even if you are a casual) 

And he still wrapped the season with a quality grade as well. 

 

  What does playing nickel have to do with the down 3 or 4 last lineman? And at least get the facts right. It much closer to 75%. None of that answers who would be our SDE in 4 man sets? It sure isn’t Butler, Poe, Love, Irvin or Addison. Wilkins gets snaps there and at DT and NT in 4 man. Plus be good at all 3 spots in 3-man fronts. He would get close to 70% of snaps. About as much as KK plays.  

   And the whole unit was subpar. Even with KK playing decent. What does that say about the rest of them. And I’m sure Poe is going dominate for the first time in years from “coaching”. And Butler will be good for the first time....Ever. And Love will get younger. If you want to count Love and Butler then count Obada and Cox at DE. Same level of players. 

  You can save the “informative view” for someone else. I’m well aware of any trends, and much more aware of how much something is used than you. When you google for your thoughts, try to not use outdated material. 

[SOJA]

Buffalo or Atlanta will take Wilkins 

[JARROD]

Isn’t Clemson considered Local and doesn’t count?

On Walter,... we did meet with Lawrence and Wilkins.

[mc52beast]

DT would make sense... fastest way to a qb is up the middle

[JARROD]

45 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  What does playing nickel have to do with the down 3 or 4 last lineman? And at least get the facts right. It much closer to 75%. None of that answers who would be our SDE in 4 man sets? It sure isn’t Butler, Poe, Love, Irvin or Addison. Wilkins gets snaps there and at DT and NT in 4 man. Plus be good at all 3 spots in 3-man fronts. He would get close to 70% of snaps. About as much as KK plays.  

   And the whole unit was subpar. Even with KK playing decent. What does that say about the rest of them. And I’m sure Poe is going dominate for the first time in years from “coaching”. And Butler will be good for the first time....Ever. And Love will get younger. If you want to count Love and Butler then count Obada and Cox at DE. Same level of players. 

  You can save the “informative view” for someone else. I’m well aware of any trends, and much more aware of how much something is used than you. When you google for your thoughts, try to not use outdated material. 

Agreed, great post

 

And the whole point of a 3-4 is the OLB or hybrid fronts where an extra Safety comes down to OLB is for more flexibility run vs Pass protection. It’s easier to disguise coverage with a 3-4.

right now if we run a 3-4 look, it would be ugly. We have 2  zero technique or a zero and 1 and one 3 technique really and so if we have Butler, a 1 technique in a 3 technique, he’s not going to do what it’s designed to do— that’s my extent right there, played nickel CB and SS mostly myself— but that’s the way I understand it.

we really need to have another 3 technique tackle, preferably one with a serious attitude so Poe and Short get attitudes and blow things up.(our defensive line has no leader— bad juju)

we don’t have that at all right now. We would run a 3-4 look that’s UGLY... unless someone wants to do some Mangini dirty tricks.

 

[PantherPhann89]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

When it comes to 1st round picks (and honestly only 1st round picks), i'm just fine with old Hurney.

Hopefully it continues with Burns...

[SetfreexX]