Draft 2 players-get better at 4 positions?

[JARROD]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I agree--there  are literally 100 ways to go--we have to be careful about locking in.  I agree with you about Jelks--in January, I was thinking he might be a potential first/second rounder. He has he skills.  

I just threw this out there to give us some pre-draft controversy--makes it more fun.  Thanks for taking the high road. 

 

For me, Jelks is a much safer pick than Burns— people get so fixated they can’t see straight.

none of us are professional scouts as Scot said but just watching what I’ve seen, a late 3rd or 4th(unless he surprises us and jumps up much higher) on a guy that is basically the same player as Burns has everything to gain and very little to lose. Burns for me could really work out or he could MUNSON our asses— waste of a first round pick.

i would rather have Jonah, Ford, Wilkins that are safe picks there at 16.

if it was my job or anyone’s job to bet on keeping your job next year or not—-I’m going with a player that won’t or has a small chance to bust but would have a huge impact. Jonah and Ford are that— Wilkins makes us better.

[JARROD]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

Wilkins is a very high character guy  that could easily be the pick.  He might be my favorite player in the draft--if you consider the whole person---and I would love to have him here.  DT is the biggest question mark in my little brain about how well we might convert to whatever form of 3-4 hybrid etc, so I have ignored it, but it is a concern.  If you fail to address it properly, season over.  If you can't stop the run and put some middle pressure on Brees and Ryan, you are going to have a long season.

 

I think we saw an immediate change in the defense, including how Poe, Short and Kuechly played once Rivera took over.

i feel Rivera has those Wade Phillips qualities and has learned to put the player in the best position to win instead of trying to draft a player that fits a square system.

thats why we see Belicheck consistently make lemonade out of lemons,.. other peoples trash— they tried to make a scheme instead of focusing on what their players needed to be their best.

i think Rivera can do it.

so I have no fear of Christian Wilkins

[SetfreexX]

OP, I understand all the points you're making and trying to maximize value with the picks, however:

1) I like Moton as LT

2) Pass Rusher (if available) has to be the pick (Burns / Sweat / Ferrell)

3) Plenty of interior OL depth with those two 3rd Round selctions

I would love to see...

1st - Edge

2nd - Best FS or OL

3rd - Best FS or OL

3rd (100) - Best OL 

The fourth through 6th round, HB, WR, athletic edge project <<< in any order

[poorboysrev]

1 hour ago, mc52beast said:

Can’t pass up on a first round DE if he grades out higher than the OL available. Too much talent there this year and it could be awhile before we see a DL draft class like this. 

I agree that we have to go safety in round 2 , secondary instantly becomes a strength.

Really don’t know what to do about OL, maybe go with Moton at LT and draft a project in a later round.

Agree with all of that. Much easier to find someone later that can provide depth at tackle for Moton and Williams , start at LG or allow you to kick Williams in to guard if the rookie comes in strong out the gate, than for a later rd rookie de/rusher to impact year one. It’s not saying we couldn’t ideally use one but using resources for biggest impact. If we had 2 first rders or a top second rder then address both  1a1b... but right now we don’t ha

[poorboysrev]

17 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

OP, I understand all the points you're making and trying to maximize value with the picks, however:

1) I like Moton as LT

2) Pass Rusher (if available) has to be the pick (Burns / Sweat / Ferrell)

3) Plenty of interior OL depth with those two 3rd Round selctions

I would love to see...

1st - Edge

2nd - Best FS or OL

3rd - Best FS or OL

3rd (100) - Best OL 

The fourth through 6th round, HB, WR, athletic edge project <<< in any order

That’s what the fug I’m talking about... this draft should come right to them like that if they don’t get cute and overthink it. Between those 2 oline picks you have on their at least one of them should be able to start at LG or RT and allow Williams to play the other and the other pick to be depth. Oline set, savage, Thornhill etc pick one at safety and your de/pass rusher. Done 

[Khyber53]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

A different way of looking at the draft: 

Brilliant piece and you make an awful lot of sense. We can't repair every problem in one draft, but with your plan we could fix quite a few.

I think you're close to what the Panthers will choose to do in the draft and for the same reasons. I think it will be Dillard, though.

Good post!

[JARROD]

6 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Brilliant piece and you make an awful lot of sense. We can't repair every problem in one draft, but with your plan we could fix quite a few.

I think you're close to what the Panthers will choose to do in the draft and for the same reasons. I think it will be Dillard, though.

Good post!

It’s a great post— I do put Dillard in that Burns conversation. And we are all speaking from an amateur view— no professional scouts here. 

The scouts and staff would have to tell me “a snow balls chance in hell” that Dillard busts before I would think about drafting him, Burns or Sweat with my first round pick(that applies to anyone really)

i would look for low bust, high character quality safe guys that can start as soon as possible. Hurney is in a win now, playoffs or bust thing— so I don’t think he goes all Riverboat with the draft.

i would take great safe picks the first 2 rounds and then take the boom or bust guys 3rd and later. 

Just my amateur opinion. Jonah, Ford, Wilkins, Ferrell I think are what I said. 

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, JARROD said:

 

i would look for low bust, high character quality safe guys that can start as soon as possible. Hurney is in a win now, playoffs or bust thing— so I don’t think he goes all Riverboat with the draft.

 

This has been the cornerstone of good Panthers picks over the years. It may not be flashy, but those guys end up shining and having great careers here.

 

[MHS831]

On 4/24/2019 at 11:37 AM, LinvilleGorge said:

My concern with not addressing edge rusher and doing it early is because the only two proven edge rushers on the roster are Addison and Irvin and they're both over 30 and on one year deals. As badly as we need edge rushers at the moment, we could be absolutely desperate for them next year.

I think that next year is a concern, but so much is unknown about Haynes and how we use Thompson.  I think both step up.  If Cox Jr. finds his groove at DE and Obada breaks out, we will still need a stud.  This is simply an alternative perspective, not my opinion--but I think it is one of my top 2-3 options, depending on how the draft plays out.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, MHS831 said:

I think that next year is a concern, but so much is unknown about Haynes and how we use Thompson.  I think both step up.  If Cox Jr. finds his groove at DE and Obada breaks out, we will still need a stud.  This is simply an alternative perspective, not my opinion--but I think it is one of my top 2-3 options, depending on how the draft plays out.

It's another perspective for sure, but one that's putting a ton of faith in a bunch of late round picks and UDFAs. I'd venture to guess that past success rates of those types of plans were probably spotty at absolute best.

Honestly, I feel the same way about DT. Short and Poe are both 30+ as well, they both have big cap hits (Short has a huge cap hit) and neither played anywhere close to being worth their cap hit last season. If that repeats this year, one or both could be cap casualties next year.

I want a new edge rusher and a new DT before the end of the 3rd.

Ideally for me, our first four picks would go:

EDGE, FS, DT, OL

Then again, I fully realize that the draft never goes "ideally".

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's another perspective for sure, but one that's putting a ton of faith in a bunch of late round picks and UDFAs. I'd venture to guess that past success rates of those types of plans were probably spotty at absolute best.

Honestly, I feel the same way about DT. Short and Poe are both 30+ as well, they both have big cap hits (Short has a huge cap hit) and neither played anywhere close to being worth their cap hit last season. If that repeats this year, one or both could be cap casualties next year.

I want a new edge rusher and a new DT before the end of the 3rd.

Ideally for me, our first four picks would go:

EDGE, FS, DT, OL

Then again, I fully realize that the draft never goes "ideally".

I agree 100%.  our DEs do not need to be 1-year contracts or a bunch of undrafted, practice squad high flyers.  We sorta kicked the can down the road with Peppers.  To me, bad DTs is worse than bad edge rushers.  I am not one that thinks Poe and Short will not rebound, but I am concerned about what we are doing. I think the pick will be Burns, Sweat or Wilkins.  Of these players, Wilkins is my favorite--all around great person and stud on the field (I am a Gamecock fan-my Dad played for them--, so that is saying something)

Wilkins--a first team All  American and three year starter at Clemson?  I  would take it--but then we may have to trade up  for a DE.  I have no idea what kinds of players we need on D yet....

[Pantha-kun]

I think DE and LT are equally important.

Our Oline might look good on paper but its extremely thin on depth. We've had injury problems for 3 seasons straight to key members of the oline , last time we had mostly healthy oline we went to the Super Bowl. Right now we are another D.Williams blown knee away from disaster. 

DE I agree with the points already made, we have aging DEs and no long term solution there and our pass rush has been anemic.

Ideally, in this draft you would hope Burns or Sweat falls to you, and draft some servicable LT/LG hybrid in the 2nd. There's a much steeper drop off for DEs as opposed to OLine in this draft. 

Panthers are probably hoping one of these players drops to them 

• Jonah Williams
• Jawaan Taylor 
• Andre Dillard
• Brian Burns
• Montez Sweat 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Yeah I’ve been on this train for awhile, pass rush by committee this up coming season, address edge in the 3rd round or later. Fs, Ot and cb in the first 2 rounds would almost drastically improve this team