What is the minimum number of starters the Panthers need from this draft?

[poorboysrev]

1 hour ago, hepcat said:

I disagree, the defense lost some key veterans and a TON of leadership this offseason. They need starters at DE, S, and LB to make up for the void left by Julius Peppers, Thomas Davis, and Mike Adams. Especially if they are transitioning to a 3-4, DE/LB is a big need. The defense as it stands right now might not even be a top 20 defense. A healthy Cam Newton would be in a shootout in every game and I guarantee that'd lead to an 8-8 season at best unless the defense gets some starters in this draft.

Especially given our propensity for amazing clock management and end of game decisions.

[JARROD]

For the 1st if it was my job or else this year, I would avoid the boom or bust, take 3 years to see what you got guys.

Jonah, Ford, Wilkins and Ferrell all would make an immediate impact without that boom or bust thing. 

Guys like Burns that are totally boom or bust,.. probably will take a year at the least to see what you really have, probably will only play limited Passing down snaps— and could very well go all Everette Brown(people say no, but he very well could) and even Sweat,.. maybe he’s good and maybe he goes on IR midway—

those are just not what I would do if I knew this is all or nothing year. Would anyone here? Bet your job over it? Fans it’s easy— takem, I like em, wrong you just mad and have to eat roasted asshole with a side of burnt turkey and humble pie for dessert—-

i mean career over, fired. 

Burns type of boom or bust players are plentiful in the 2nd through 5th rounds.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, JARROD said:

For the 1st if it was my job or else this year, I would avoid the boom or bust, take 3 years to see what you got guys.

Jonah, Ford, Wilkins and Ferrell all would make an immediate impact without that boom or bust thing. 

Guys like Burns that are totally boom or bust,.. probably will take a year at the least to see what you really have, probably will only play limited Passing down snaps— and could very well go all Everette Brown(people say no, but he very well could) and even Sweat,.. maybe he’s good and maybe he goes on IR midway—

those are just not what I would do if I knew this is all or nothing year. Would anyone here? Bet your job over it? Fans it’s easy— takem, I like em, wrong you just mad and have to eat roasted asshole with a side of burnt turkey and humble pie for dessert—-

i mean career over, fired. 

Burns type of boom or bust players are plentiful in the 2nd through 5th rounds.

 

Honestly, I largely agree. I'd have a really, REALLY hard time not drafting Ferrell or Wilkins if they were available.

The only concern I have with Sweat is that heart issue and I'd just rely on the doctors on that one.

[AU-panther]

If we go 3-4

and 

if we pick an edge in the first round

Do people really think RR will start said rookie over Addison and Irvin?

Our best chance for a day one starter is probably Ford at LG or possible one of the free safeties.

Even if we stay 4-3 and were to draft Sweat I'm not convinced he would start.  I don't see him starting as strong side end and I don't see him starting over Addison.

 

[shaq]

2 hours ago, Michaelinraleigh said:

Burns is a bust. Doesn't fit us well.

I'll be so pissed if they take him.

Please explain why? 

[shaq]

4 starters- that would be ideal, obviously not the most likely but hurney 2.0 magical...

LG

FS

EDGE

Slot

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, I largely agree. I'd have a really, REALLY hard time not drafting Ferrell or Wilkins if they were available.

The only concern I have with Sweat is that heart issue and I'd just rely on the doctors on that one.

Yeh that’s my thing with Sweat, and it’s a heart thing. Sure he could be like Star and be a monster or he could go midway and go on IR to deal with it.

if my job was on the line for real and it’s my career too— the doctor would have to give me the “it’s a cold day in hell before he’s a problem” for me to chance it.

there was that DE that was rated great— Daquon Bowers— he was graded really high— Tampa took him,.. dropped from 1st to 2nd round I think—he did pretty good i remember but then became a problem, went to another team, was ok for a bit, then a problem.

thats called fired if you take that guy in the first round. Gettlemen was in the first year of his term with Star— so if star busted he could recover. Belicheck can be wrong as much as he wants—- 5 Super Bowl wins says he can.

Hurney cant

[SmittysLawnGuy]

1 hour ago, Shocker said:

LT, DE,  FS

Love it. Especially that variation of the "shocker". Then again maybe I'm the only twisted fug who catches these little nuances.

[JARROD]

16 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

If we go 3-4

and 

if we pick an edge in the first round

Do people really think RR will start said rookie over Addison and Irvin?

Our best chance for a day one starter is probably Ford at LG or possible one of the free safeties.

Even if we stay 4-3 and were to draft Sweat I'm not convinced he would start.  I don't see him starting as strong side end and I don't see him starting over Addison.

 

I agree but I would say in Sweats defense(pun there ha) that Rivera is much better at adjusting his scheme to the players than say Washington was. 

He doesn’t have to have a 4-3 or 3-4 defense— making guys fit into a scheme is how they have the highest bust rate. New England proves that all the time— trash in one place, a bust then Belicheck makes them a star.

our defense looked a lot better with Rivera running it. I think if we did draft Sweat Rivera would put him in places where he wins, scheme be damned.

but yes I’m scared of Sweat Burns Gary and Dillard— boom or busts that can make it Hurneys last year real fast.

[shaqattaq]

3 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I think maybe 2. 

A DE and LG would be nice. 

I agree. 2 at a minimum. But, IMO, it's DE and FS. I still think Van Roten or Larsen, while not elite, can be starters. Also, I was in love with Mahon last preseason. I'm excited to see what he picked up in a year. 

I would also say that we need a LT that can start next year.  Maybe that solves the LG dilemma for this year. 

[t96]

2 hours ago, hepcat said:

I just can't agree with any of that concerning the defense. The defense as it stands got worse and won't improve just because Ron decided to move some people around

The first half of last year we had one game allowing under 17 points, and still went 6-2. This team can make the playoffs at 10-6 without an elite defense. And there is definitely reason to believe the D can be better this year than last. When Ron took over, it was night and day. Held the Aints to 12 points. None of TD, Pep or Adams were all that effective last year anyways and Irvin is still an above average player and should help. Do we have work to do? Absolutely. But if Cam is fully healthy there is a great chance we make the playoffs regardless of this draft class’s immediate contributions. 

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, bull123 said:

From what we saw LY, Washington should be coaching the water cooler

Yeh maybe he has some dirty photos of Rivera somewhere— stays around for some unknown reason

[TheSpecialJuan]

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[LinvilleGorge]

4 hours ago, bull123 said:

From what we saw LY, Washington should be coaching the water cooler

I think he was simply put in a position that he wasn't prepared to handle. He's always done a very good job as DL coach IMO. When he moved to DC the entire defense went to hell and a big part of that was greatly reduced effectiveness of the DL.

Not every great position coach is cut out to be a coordinator just like every great coordinator isn't cut out to be a head coach.