If the Panthers trade up in the first round of the draft....

[MechaZain]

3 hours ago, panthers55 said:

You are arguing a moot point. No one does that in professional sports. No one. So to say we should have is a non sequitur. Anything after that is useless. Of course anyone understands the rationale but it ignores the negative which is that it kills the team. Plus if the NFL could prove you threw a game which would be easy after you told players to do it, you can face sanctions.

It isn't done ever. So again you opining why we should have is wasted and ridiculous. Any gain of draft choice is far outweighed by damage to the team and lack of confidence in the coach and their committment to winning and sacrificing their body for the team. And again if you don't understand that you haven't played sports at any.level. so this conversation is useless since you couldn't possibly understand what you have never experienced.

Every year in the NBA

[panthers55]

31 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

Every year in the NBA

This is the NFL not the NBA. And let's be real here teams tanking means a new coach because he lost the locker room. With the lottery in effect you can't guarantee what position you are drafting so it makes little sense to tank when you not only could lose your job as a coach or player but you can't guarantee you will draft high even if you have more chances. Nope.   Next.......

[Moo Daeng]

5 hours ago, Basbear said:

You lack critical information and the ability to understand it. Example - "If Panthers win a gloried preseason game, they lose the 3rd overall pick" p55- "Win at all cost, otherwise your a loser"

Did you think this made any sense?

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, Moo Daeng said:

Did you think this made any sense?

No, it doesn't. Win at all cost and lose a top-five pick was a gauge to see how much the win is worth to a backward thinking person. He'd rather win, which is wrong. I may piss up that rope after the draft is over, but I know it isn't worth my time cause p55 is not using logic, reason, or IQ. Years later those players feeling..... most would not even remember the game. 

[MechaZain]

I only take issue with with calling tanking that game a "loser mentality". If we weren't already eliminated from the playoffs and talking about throwing games I'd agree with that. Everyone is trying to put the team in the best position to win going forward, we're just disagreeing on how.

And players absolutely ease off the gas for insignificant games. Going hard in the preseason or the pro bowl because you "always win" is not smart. 

 

 

[Wyank]

57 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

 

And players absolutely ease off the gas for insignificant games. Going hard in the preseason or the pro bowl because you "always win" is not smart. 

 

 

Yes.  Starters absolutely ease off the gas for insignificant games.  Back ups and back ups to back ups take advantage of the limited chances they get on the field.  What piece of poo human being is going to tell 3rd and 4th string players I hope you play like poo on the only chance you may ever get to step on a NFL field during a regular season game?

[MechaZain]

Point is players aren't always trying to win at all costs. Playing with the same effort in the preseason as you would for the super bowl is an admirable idea but a bad strategy.

[Wyank]

Yes but the game in question was played with 3rd and 4th stringers for majority of the game with the occasional exception.  You can say that that game for the back ups who may never see real playing time again was their Super Bowl.  Expecting them to treat it like a meaningless game is not realistic.

[JARROD]

46 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

Point is players aren't always trying to win at all costs. Playing with the same effort in the preseason as you would for the super bowl is an admirable idea but a bad strategy.

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