Cards shopping Rosen for a 3...

[SOJA]

9 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Josh Rosen averaged 5 YPA, threw 11 TDs against 14 INTs and had a 66 QB rating and 3-10 record last season. But in talent "it's no question" he's better than Will Grier. El Oh El

Arizona was also an indisputable dumpster fire. You can't honestly watch Rosen's college tape and Grier's college tape and truly believe Grier is a better prospect 

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, SOJA said:

I don't think that is true, but that being said if the Panthers really want a QB Rosen impresses me more than anyone but Murray in this class and is certainly worth more to us for a third than Grier in the 2nd 

No he's not, I'd much rather win games

[steven8989]

12 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Do you think Josh Rosen, who showed nothing as a rookie, is better than Will Grier?

I'm glad u get but, because he don't.

[The Huddler]

I do this is fantasy all the time..

 

Cards are just reeling potential trade partners in. 

 

Start out with a low asking price, get people at least interested...  start a bidding war.  drives the price up..  

 

especially with ego power hungry wana be alpha males that want to win.. WIN.. WWIIINNN. 

 

start out low... "yeah ill take that trade" ..."sorry another owner outbid you".. "ok ill throw this in..       

 

just play owners against each other. get them emotionally attached to the trade and then pull thw rug out from them..  they up offers..

 

bam.       dynasty fantasy football king

[ImfromClayton]

I do not understand the logic. 

Rosen is a much better prospect than is Grier. If this was about feelings, I’d rather have the Charlotte kid, but it isn’t. 

Rosen for a 3 is a better decision than Grier for a 2. Period. Especially when we have a comp 3. 

[micnificent28]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually, if I recall correctly some folks had a problem with Rosen being, shall we say, a little less than humble.

As mentioned, if you support this idea, you have to be okay with the potential for a quarterback controversy. that includes the possibility that your backup might be one of the guys stirring the pot.

I think because a lot of Panther fans just dislike Newton’s attitude. They never fully embraced him, The panthers Haven’t drafted a qb since Newton, And say we draft Grier in the second that high.... If Newton looks Shoddy you will have people calling for the backup regardless. But this falls in line with the logic you were saying yesterday.

A coach on the hot seat can’t afford to just tank and give up on a season so he has to do the best he can to win. A Young more talented passer who had NFL experience to me gives you a better chance to when than an unknown in proven entity.  Rosen has proven to be outspoken, but that’s pretty common, look at Nic Bosa’s, recent right wing tweets. A lot of people are saying the same things about him he probably still goes number 2.

 

[Moo Daeng]

18 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Everything thing about Rosen Appears to be better than Grier. If we are talking talent then it’s no question. Arm, accuracy and decision making. If you can get a first round talent who is highly superior to almost any talent in this class you do it.

Name one thing other than he passed for more yards in college. The numbers are not in Rosens favor at all.

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

I understand what you're saying, but if Cam's health is iffy, we need a QB worthy of being able to have a legitimate competition with him.

I love Cam, but I love the Panthers more.  The team needs to do what's in the best interest of the team, regardless of Cam.  

The best case would be to have a starter-capable backup on a rookie deal for 4 years behind Cam.  A healthy Cam means this team can compete for the playoffs and beyond.

Worst case is we have a QB who could start the post-Cam era if necessary (I certainly hope that's not the case).

The chatter that comes with it may be something the team wants to avoid, though.

I also have to admit I'm a little disturbed at the prospect of a team wanting to give up one year in on a guy they drafted in the high first. New coach yes, but the same GM that drafted him is still in place, and it's not like the Cardinals don't have other needs.

This could be one of those scenarios where "wow, why are they trading him" turns into "oh, now I understand".

[steven8989]

10 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

What has Grier shown? I would argue the cards were complete trash with or without Rosen. So we go back to the college tape. Rosen’s college tape was better than Griers, his arm is better his accuracy was better his decision making all of it. Rosen has also been in the NFL and has some game experience. It’s not like he just looked lost like clausen. He is still a top 10 talent. You guys really have faith in Grier..

So college stats Rosen 59 tds and 26 int, Grier 81 tds and 23 int. That was a full 3 years for Rosen and Grier's was for only two years. He did 10 td and 3 int in just 6 games at Florida. So he threw in two years 71 tds and 20 int. So hell yeah I'm taking that all day. Grier will be a starter in the NFL maybe not for us, but I sure hope we do so I can remind u and everyone against him. Rosen was not good and Arizona got leftovers because they didn't try to move up and get Mayfield or Darnold. But keep trying to explain why we should waste a third rd pick, it's pretty hilarious!

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, steven8989 said:

So college stats Rosen 59 tds and 26 int, Grier 81 tds and 23 int. That was a full 3 years for Rosen and Grier's was for only two years. He did 10 td and 3 int in just 6 games at Florida. So he threw in two years 71 tds and 20 int. So hell yeah I'm taking that all day. Grier will be a starter in the NFL maybe not for us, but I sure hope we do so I can remind u and everyone against him. Rosen was not good and Arizona got leftovers because they didn't try to move up and get Mayfield or Darnold. But keep trying to explain why we should waste a third rd pick, it's pretty hilarious!

Again.. your one of those stat watchers who drafts and plans based on numbers. My clear feelings for Gary should tell you you are barking up the wrong tree with that. Again, He was a first rounder and a top 10 pick. He would be the number 1 pick in this class, Grier is fighting to go behind Daniel Jones.

Coaches and situations Can effect stats, more production or less production scheme and so on. That’s why you look at traits, decision making and ability above all else. Production can be used to confirm ability but it isn’t a he threw for more yards kind of thing that gets you drafted.

[Moo Daeng]

OP's interest in Rosen is completely based on where he was drafted. He just looks at old lists.

[DeAngelo Beason]

This would be too good to be true.

[micnificent28]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The chatter that comes with it may be something the team wants to avoid, though.

I also have to admit I'm a little disturbed at the prospect of a team wanting to give up one year in on a guy they drafted in the high first. New coach yes, but the same GM that drafted him is still in place, and it's not like the Cardinals don't have other needs.

This could be one of those scenarios where "wow, why are they trading him" turns into "oh, now I understand".

This is a more low risk/ high reward situation than using a number 2 on a less talented player who if all goes well won’t see the field anyway.  If all goes according to plan Rosen or Grier would never get to show anything in actual Game situations.  But if god forbid one has to play sooner than later who would you rather ride with? The vet with NFL experience or an unknown commodity?

The flip side is if Cam is healthy Rosen is gone by the start of next season and his stock might recoup his lost value and could net us a first rounder.  Yes he is outspoken but, it’s not like we haven’t had To deal with Smitty, Josh Norman and so on in the past. I don’t even think he’s as bad as those guys. An added value is you are also Keeping your number 2 in this scenario so there is value there in getting another starter. Easily the more desired outcome.

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, Moo Daeng said:

OP's interest in Rosen is completely based on where he was drafted. He just looks at old lists.

Rosen is the better passer and has a stronger arm more accurate and decision maker. Your just blurting our what you assume to be true. Anybody in their right mind would rather have Rosen and there second rounder* than waste it on Grier who by all likely hood shouldn’t see the field.