Cards shopping Rosen for a 3...

[Seltzer]

45 minutes ago, Mage said:

Rosen still has a 1st round contract.  More expensive than what Grier would be.

Yeah, but he also has a 5th year option b/c of that as well.  Would still have the rights to him for 4 years.  

I really doubt this is true, but if the Panthers could get him for a 3rd round pick, even the higher one, Marty would be all over it... I really doubt this is true though

Having Rosen to back up Cam and letting Heinicke and Allen battle it out for QB3 would drastically improve this team

[micnificent28]

7 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Nah. Nothing about Rosen appears to be better than Grier. Giving up a 3rd and paying as a 1st for Rosen doest sound too wise. He was inaccurate in college.  That wont change.

I'm not big on Grier in the 2nd but this certainly doesn't sound better.

Everything thing about Rosen Appears to be better than Grier. If we are talking talent then it’s no question. Arm, accuracy and decision making. If you can get a first round talent who is highly superior to almost any talent in this class you do it.

[Carl Spackler]

44 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

That’s true.. But he has to be cheaper and a better investment than say signing a bet backup. His contract would probably be cheaper than that. And chances are if he Cam proves to be healthy you trade this guy after a season or two and flip him like some high value property for a first or so in a year. If he shows well in mop up duty.

Do you think Josh Rosen, who showed nothing as a rookie, is better than Will Grier?

[Carl Spackler]

Josh Rosen averaged 5 YPA, threw 11 TDs against 14 INTs and had a 66 QB rating and 3-10 record last season. But in talent "it's no question" he's better than Will Grier. El Oh El

[Moo Daeng]

We arent paying our backup top 10 pick money and then paying him a 5tth year option money. Come on people. Think

[Seltzer]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And way more potential to stir the dreaded quarterback controversy, especially if Newton's health is iffy.

If you want to trade for Rosen, you have to accept that possibility.

I understand what you're saying, but if Cam's health is iffy, we need a QB worthy of being able to have a legitimate competition with him.

I love Cam, but I love the Panthers more.  The team needs to do what's in the best interest of the team, regardless of Cam.  

The best case would be to have a starter-capable backup on a rookie deal for 4 years behind Cam.  A healthy Cam means this team can compete for the playoffs and beyond.

Worst case is we have a QB who could start the post-Cam era if necessary (I certainly hope that's not the case).

[micnificent28]

Just now, Carl Spackler said:

Do you think Josh Rosen, who showed nothing as a rookie, is better than Will Grier?

What has Grier shown? I would argue the cards were complete trash with or without Rosen. So we go back to the college tape. Rosen’s college tape was better than Griers, his arm is better his accuracy was better his decision making all of it. Rosen has also been in the NFL and has some game experience. It’s not like he just looked lost like clausen. He is still a top 10 talent. You guys really have faith in Grier..

[WarPanthers89]

50 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

The thing is this is exactly the move a smart team like the patriots would make. It doesn’t matter if he is cool with or not. If Cam is healthy Rosen is just an insurance policy. Let him ball out and play a few preseason games, ship him off after cam is healthy for a first. He might even fetch 2 first later after people see his success and he’s young.

But that’s also why teams stay away from trades that would jack up team chemistry and cause distractions....see Kap even with teams who have terrible qbs throughout the league. The patriots have never traded for a high profile 1st round draft pick who would want to compete for a starting role but would have no open competition for the remaining 3 years on his contract. This causes a media circus and the patriots have never had a controversy with Brady in his prime.....or ever. Doing this for a normal aging vet in a position like DT is much different than the leader of your franchise.

[Seltzer]

3 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

We arent paying our backup top 10 pick money and then paying him a 5tth year option money. Come on people. Think

Top 10 money on a rookie deal is on par with the average for a good backup QB.  And we could release him before the 5th year if need be.  

We are still dealing in unlikely speculation at this point.  But given Cam's status, I still think trading a 3rd rounder for Rosen is absolutely worth it if it is a possibility.

[thefuzz]

I would have him on a plane to Charlotte already if this is true.  (it's not)

They will end up with a 2nd at worst if I had to guess.

[Carl Spackler]

4 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

What has Grier shown? I would argue the cards were complete trash with or without Rosen. So we go back to the college tape. Rosen’s college tape was better than Griers, his arm is better his accuracy was better his decision making all of it. Rosen has also been in the NFL and has some game experience. It’s not like he just looked lost like clausen. He is still a top 10 talent. You guys really have faith in Grier..

I'm glad you think his "college tape" is better because his stats sure as hell weren't.

Rosen: 60.9% completions, 8 YPA, 59 TD, 26 INT, 140.1 rating

Grier: 65.7% completions, 9 YPA, 81 TD, 23 INT, 165.2 rating

Rosen's arm is weaker, his accuracy is worse, his decision-making is worse and he's already got the sting of an awful rookie season. If he was so good, his own team wouldn't be trying to dump him.

[Mr. Scot]

27 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Who cares if he is happy... you think Jimmy G or any of the Patriot backup were happy to be signed behind a legend that wasn’t going anywhere anytime soon? Fact is your here to learn as an insurance policy, do your job well the move on to your next starting destination. You have to play the long game like an adult.

Actually, if I recall correctly some folks had a problem with Rosen being, shall we say, a little less than humble.

As mentioned, if you support this idea, you have to be okay with the potential for a quarterback controversy. that includes the possibility that your backup might be one of the guys stirring the pot.

[SOJA]

I don't think that is true, but that being said if the Panthers really want a QB Rosen impresses me more than anyone but Murray in this class and is certainly worth more to us for a third than Grier in the 2nd 

[micnificent28]

7 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

We arent paying our backup top 10 pick money and then paying him a 5tth year option money. Come on people. Think

Quick backup qb google search and its well within the backup realm of money debate. Plus if he shows well you only keep him for a season or maybe even trade him after the preason for more than you for him for.