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Josh Norris predicting Panthers trade up with Lions

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We would be crazy to trade up unless it for one of top 2 OTs in the draft and Dillard isn't that guy. There will be plenty of OTs at 16. Hurney isn't going to panic. He has learned his lesson. Plus last draft we did well not reaching for players or giving away high draft picks. Look what Matso did with Norwell and he was undrafted. 

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Just now, panthers55 said:

We would be crazy to trade up unless it for one of top 2 OTs in the draft and Dillard isn't that guy. There will be plenty of OTs at 16. Hurney isn't going to panic. He has learned his lesson. Plus last draft we did well not reaching for players or giving away high draft picks. Look what Matso did with Norwell and he was undrafted. 

There may be plenty of OT's available at 16, but are they capable of playing at solid level at the LT position in the NFL? With the exception of Michael Oher's 2015 season, our LT situation has been a mess since Jordan Gross retired after the 2103 season.

I'm not saying I'd make this move. I don't know a lot about this year's class of LT's. BUT, if Dillard came in and solidified the LT position for the next 5-7 years I don't see how anyone could look back on this move and say we gave up too much to move up. I'm guessing we have to give up a 1 and 3. That would still leave us with selections in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to address the DL and Safety positions.

If they could make a move like this and give up a 4th and a later round pick instead of a 3rd, I'd go for it, even though I'd be inclined to take a DL for the pass rush.

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2 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

There may be plenty of OT's available at 16, but are they capable of playing at solid level at the LT position in the NFL? With the exception of Michael Oher's 2015 season, our LT situation has been a mess since Jordan Gross retired after the 2103 season.

I'm not saying I'd make this move. I don't know a lot about this year's class of LT's. BUT, if Dillard came in and solidified the LT position for the next 5-7 years I don't see how anyone could look back on this move and say we gave up too much to move up. I'm guessing we have to give up a 1 and 3. That would still leave us with selections in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to address the DL and Safety positions.

If they could make a move like this and give up a 4th and a later round pick instead of a 3rd, I'd go for it, even though I'd be inclined to take a DL for the pass rush.

The point is that Dillard isn't considered by many to be a top 3 OT. He is good in the passing game but middling in the run game. No explosion off the ball and lacks strength. That means he isn't a plug and play guy and will need work. There are other guys out there who are just as good who will be there at 16. And better guys at other positions relative to their peers. That is the point. When you reach for one guy you better hope he is everything you are looking for because you mortgaged some of your future to get him. Dillard may be a stud but isn't worth moving up for IMO. 

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27 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

The point is that Dillard isn't considered by many to be a top 3 OT. He is good in the passing game but middling in the run game. No explosion off the ball and lacks strength. That means he isn't a plug and play guy and will need work. There are other guys out there who are just as good who will be there at 16. And better guys at other positions relative to their peers. That is the point. When you reach for one guy you better hope he is everything you are looking for because you mortgaged some of your future to get him. Dillard may be a stud but isn't worth moving up for IMO. 

As I said earlier, I haven't followed the O-lineman as closely as some of the other positions because I was assuming (perhaps wrongly) that the Panthers would be looking for a d-lineman in the 1st round. I need you to enlighten me.

Who are the top 3 rated OL in this years draft?

Which lineman do you think will be available at 16 who are as good as better than Dillard?

You spoke highly of his pass blocking, which is what we desperately need. Is his run blocking better than Kalil and Clark? I don't think the two guys I mentioned are highly rated players, yet CMac was still able to rush for 1,000 yds this season. Do you think time he'd spend with Matsko before the season would be enough time to improve the run blocking?

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1 hour ago, SCO96 said:

As I said earlier, I haven't followed the O-lineman as closely as some of the other positions because I was assuming (perhaps wrongly) that the Panthers would be looking for a d-lineman in the 1st round. I need you to enlighten me.

Who are the top 3 rated OL in this years draft?

Which lineman do you think will be available at 16 who are as good as better than Dillard?

You spoke highly of his pass blocking, which is what we desperately need. Is his run blocking better than Kalil and Clark? I don't think the two guys I mentioned are highly rated players, yet CMac was still able to rush for 1,000 yds this season. Do you think time he'd spend with Matsko before the season would be enough time to improve the run blocking?

Good questions. I am far from an expert on the draft and largely read what others have written who purport to be experts. But if we pick Dillard at 16 I wouldn't be unhappy knowing that Matso is one of the best. My concern is trading draft picks to move up. Especially where we aren't one player away from contending and for this year we hopefully have our starters. If Dillard isn't plug and play then is he so much better than anyone else who we could pick and develop like we did with Turner and Williams who were not top picks.

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