Tony Pauline: Panthers infatuated with Will Grier, will consider him at #47

[Trill OG]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Again, that's not how it works.

You don't just give up on a season because one player can't go, even if it's your star quarterback. That basically amounts to telling every other guy on the team they don't really matter.

The truth is we done anyway if Cam is not right. We saw that last year. It's not giving up on a season, it's reality.lol

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Trill OG said:

The truth is we done anyway if Cam is not right. We saw that last year. It's not giving up on a season, it's reality.lol

If that's true right now, then it's all the more reason for the Panthers to get the best backup quarterback they possibly can.

[trueblade]

6 minutes ago, Trill OG said:

The truth is we done anyway if Cam is not right. We saw that last year. It's not giving up on a season, it's reality.lol

If Cam is done, we need to endure a horrible 2019 so we can be in position to get a legit starter at the top of the 2020 draft from a much better QB class overall.

[panthers55]

This is a quarterback friendly offense with good weapons. Allen showed in his debut that even having no starting experience he was effective against a Saints team that played much of their first defense in the first half. We don't need a great QB. A game manager can be successful with this offense 

[steven8989]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

This is a quarterback friendly offense with good weapons. Allen showed in his debut that even having no starting experience he was effective against a Saints team that played much of their first defense in the first half. We don't need a great QB. A game manager can be successful with this offense 

Lol. He played in an exhibition game.

[Trill OG]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If that's true right now, then it's all the more reason for the Panthers to get the best backup quarterback they possibly can.

Why?

Why not get the best possible QB in 2020 with a much higher pick "if Cam is done."

I don't get the point you are trying to make. Either you are high on Grier or you don't understand the importance of waiting on our current franchise QB to recover this year.

Lets say Cam bounces back and we draft Grier in the 2nd. What do we do with him moving forward? Let him sit behind Cam for another 5 years.

We can get a impact player on another position who can contribute immediately. Grier doesn't offer that.

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, Trill OG said:

Why?

Why not get the best possible QB in 2020 with a much higher pick "if Cam is done."

I don't get the point you are trying to make. Either you are high on Grier or you don't understand the importance of waiting on our current franchise QB to recover this year.

Lets say Cam bounces back and we draft Grier in the 2nd. What do we do with him moving forward? Let him sit behind Cam for another 5 years.

We can get a impact player on another position who can contribute immediately. Grier doesn't offer that.

It's actually what you don't understand. And unfortunately, that's a lot.

One: Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney are not guaranteed their jobs next season. That's also true are the rest of the coaching staff as well as others. There is no "aaah, wait till next year" when you're not assured of your job.

Two, the Panthers exist to win games as a team, not as a platform for Cam Newton. If Newton goes down, you don't tell the rest of the team "too bad". You still make the absolute best effort to go out and win this year.

Three, as has been stated many times, it's the position of backup quarterback that needs to be addressed. Grier is one option, not the only one. It's not about getting a certain player. It's about getting a player that can effectively man that spot. Whether you agree or not, the Panthers may believe Grier is that guy. 

Four, let's say Newton does bounce back and his backup sits behind him for the next five years. How in the world would you see that as something negative?

Oy 

[Matt62881]

Please no, this is the most value ive ever seen at FS in the 2nd and a position we have desperately needed youth at for years. 1st round value in the 2nd and young game changers. Fs that can cover side line to sideline that's been so undervalued for so long . Would rather wait till next year or trade up at some point if grier is still in range but I don't even know about that unless they truly are scarred for cam!

[Trill OG]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's actually what you don't understand. And unfortunately, that's a lot.

One: Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney are not guaranteed their jobs next season. That's also true are the rest of the coaching staff as well as others. There is no "aaah, wait till next year" when you're not assured of your job.

Two, the Panthers exist to win games as a team, not as a platform for Cam Newton. If Newton goes down, you don't tell the rest of the team "too bad". You still make the absolute best effort to go out and win this year.

Three, as has been stated many times, it's the position of backup quarterback that needs to be addressed. Grier is one option, not the only one. It's not about getting a certain player. It's about getting a player that can effectively man that spot. Whether you agree or not, the Panthers may believe Grier is that guy. 

Four, let's say Newton does bounce back and his backup sits behind him for the next five years. How in the world would you see that as something negative?

Oy 

A unproven QB who sits behind Cam for the next 5 years, and you asking me what is negative about that? Easy the kid may be a bust.lol

I watched his film, and nothing stands out. He seems like a average QB. I don't see why taking him in the 2nd round is a positive for us, considering we have more important needs at other positions.

And like I said if Cam is done we are going to draft a QB in round 1 next year regardless if Grier is on the team or not. Just another reason why drafting him in round 2 is a wasted pick. If we draft him in round 5 I would have no problem, but a 2nd round pick for a QB who has no real upside is not a good investment.

Like it or not but this season is dependent on Cam whatever happens to him will effect the team good or bad. If he is done get ready because QB will be the #1 topic come time for the draft in 2020. And nobody is buying Will Grier as that option come next year.

[emcannon]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Four, let's say Newton does bounce back and his backup sits behind him for the next five years. How in the world would you see that as something negative?

Oy 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, steven8989 said:

Lol. He played in an exhibition game.

Not true at all. The guys on the field were trying and their defense was definitely trying at home. They got embarrassed and this was supposed to be their back up quarterback's debut to replace Brees. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Trill OG said:

A unproven QB who sits behind Cam for the next 5 years, and you asking me what is negative about that? Easy the kid may be a bust.lol

I watched his film, and nothing stands out. He seems like a average QB. I don't see why taking him in the 2nd round is a positive for us, considering we have more important needs at other positions.

And like I said if Cam is done we are going to draft a QB in round 1 next year regardless if Grier is on the team or not. Just another reason why drafting him in round 2 is a wasted pick. If we draft him in round 5 I would have no problem, but a 2nd round pick for a QB who has no real upside is not a good investment.

Like it or not but this season is dependent on Cam whatever happens to him will effect the team good or bad. If he is done get ready because QB will be the #1 topic come time for the draft in 2020. And nobody is buying Will Grier as that option come next year.

There's a word for that guy in the NFL. They call him...a backup, and that's what he does. He sits behind your starter just in case he's needed 

And please... You haven't "watched his film".  You probably never watched a single snap of any game he played. That's just something people say when they're trying to sound like they're know what they're talking about. And FYI, looking up a highlight reel on YouTube is not "watched his film".

Whether you like it or not, the team is going to do their best to win, even if they have to do it without Cam Newton, or any other starting player for that matter. That's how it works.

Maybe you don't want them to, but that's too bad. It's what they do.

And seriously, the fact that you're seriously trying to spin the idea that a backup quarterback is some terrible, unheard of thing tells me you're trying way too hard on this 

[Trill OG]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There's a word for that guy in the NFL. They call him...a backup, and that's what he does. He sits behind your starter just in case he's needed 

And please... You haven't "watched his film".  You probably never watched a single snap of any game he played. That's just something people say when they're trying to sound like they're know what they're talking about. And FYI, looking up a highlight reel on YouTube is not "watched his film".

Whether you like it or not, the team is going to do their best to win, even if they have to do it without Cam Newton, or any other starting player for that matter. That's how it works.

Maybe you don't want them to, but that's too bad. It's what they do.

And seriously, the fact that you're seriously trying to spin the idea that a backup quarterback is some terrible, unheard of thing tells me you're trying way too hard on this 

Im done. Im not going to debate with a kid using emoji's. Keep playing Madden kid.

[panthers55]

I promise you Tepper isn't sitting back with the attitude that if Cam isn't 100% we will tank and wait until next year. And he is giving everyone their marching orders. He wants a plan to win with or without Cam and drafting a QB is a big part of the plan. We don't know who is going to be available at QB next year or where we will pick. So we are going to pick someone at sometime in this draft who we think will be better than who we have now.

Frankly I am paying off my season tickets for this year which is a big crimp in the budget. But I buy them with the expectation that we are going to try and win every game and I think there are 62,000 other folks expecting the same. I don't understand the loser mentality of tanking and wonder why the same people who don't want mediocrity aren't outraged when they read this crap about being okay with tanking for a high draft next year BS.