Tony Pauline: Panthers infatuated with Will Grier, will consider him at #47

[micnificent28]

I’m with the your not taking a qb in the second crowd. The risk/reward just isn’t there. While you would be missing out on a surefire starter in the second in most drafts, taking a meh talent at qb in the second would be a waste. I’m cool with them drafting a back up round 3 or so on a high upside guy(stidham and tyre Jackson plz) but, focusing all hands on deck would be a waste and a desperation call.

Ron May be in survival mode and trying go to the playoffs no matter what but going all in on Grier isn’t the move. If your that desperate for a qb forget pass rusher or tackle in 1, go get lock or Haskins should they fall. Otherwise seek a vet back up or swolllow the pill your created. 

[FuFuLamePoo]

9 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

actually let's just call this what it is: if cam pulled the same poo as olsen then fans would be outside of the stadium with pitchforks. and imagine if we did draft a quarterback and he acted as petulant as brady? such an unreal talent who has never once complained about the shitheap roster he's had to carry year in and year out as well as the unnecessary injuries he's suffered while saving ron's job (only to be thrown under the bus). and now some local good ol boy scrub comes along and these fans think he could just be dropped into the lineup to keep from tanking??? lmao good luck guys, you're gonna need it

Congrats. You get it. Every post you've said in here has been spot on. 

If Cam Newton gets hurt whoever tf is his backup does not matter. We are a 3 win team without Cam Newton. No other QB in the NFL could have carried this poo roster to the achievements he has during his career so far. He has to make impossibly difficult throws to keep the offense afloat on a regular basis.

If he goes down we're one of the worst three teams in the NFL (Oakland and Miami might be the only other two). These are just facts. We have holes all over this roster. #47 should be a day one starter, no questions asked. Taking a backup QB would be fuging garbage.

I don't think Grier lasts until 47, but the bad news is they'll probably just go ahead and take someone much worse anyways. I actually like Grier a decent bit, he's my #3 QB in this draft. If I were a team in need of a QB I'd take him at the end of round one. But again no one else besides maybe like Aaron Rodgers or Pat Mahomes would be capable of winning games with this roster/scheme/coaching staff.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, emcannon said:

Yet you aren't overrating a rookie QB at all right?

I'm not "rating" him at all. He's an unknown in the pros, just like every other rookie.

But so is Kyle Allen.

Now, if you want to compare their college careers, Grier's college performance got him Heisman votes and has them being considered as a second round pick. Allen's got him picked up as an undrafted free agent. No contest.

It's the pros now, of course. Allen is in the pros already, true, yet hasn't managed to really stick on a roster.

"But he played in that one game!" Right.

Rob Johnson played in "that one game" some years back and had Falcon fans saying he could start for 20 teams. Then he got the chance to start for their team... and he was terrible.

I know everybody loves the story of the guy who "just needs a chance". Maybe Allen is that story, but maybe he's not. We don't know.

Making a decision on our backup QB spot by counting on a guy that beat the odds is way more of a gamble than you think.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I’m with the your not taking a qb in the second crowd. The risk/reward just isn’t there. While you would be missing out on a surefire starter in the second in most drafts, taking a meh talent at qb in the second would be a waste. I’m cool with them drafting a back up round 3 or so on a high upside guy(stidham and tyre Jackson plz) but, focusing all hands on deck would be a waste and a desperation call.

Ron May be in survival mode and trying go to the playoffs no matter what but going all in on Grier isn’t the move. If your that desperate for a qb forget pass rusher or tackle in 1, go get lock or Haskins should they fall. Otherwise seek a vet back up or swolllow the pill your created. 

Taking a round one QB is a legitimate option, whether it's at 16 or trading up into the latter half of the round.

I seriously doubt they will, but if there's really that much doubt about Newton's health, yeah they could.

People are hung up on Grier, and reasonably so given that there's plenty of chatter that the Panthers really like him, but he's not the only possible pick.

[Wolfcop]

If the Panthers really like Grier that much, it isn't a secret. In that regard, it feels like a smokescreen. Make there is a 2nd round Patrick Mahommes out there. 

[emcannon]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not "rating" him at all. He's an unknown in the pros, just like every other rookie.

But so is Kyle Allen.

Now, if you want to compare their college careers, Grier's college performance got him Heisman votes and has them being considered as a second round pick. Allen's got him picked up as an undrafted free agent. No contest.

It's the pros now, of course. Allen is in the pros already, true, yet hasn't managed to really stick on a roster.

"But he played in that one game!" Right.

Rob Johnson played in "that one game" some years back and had Falcon fans saying he could start for 20 teams. Then he got the chance to start for their team... and he was terrible.

I know everybody loves the story of the guy who "just needs a chance". Maybe Allen is that story, but maybe he's not. We don't know.

Making a decision on our backup QB spot by counting on a guy that beat the odds is way more of a gamble than you think.

 

Jeeeeezus. I'm not saying Kyle Allen is a better prospect long-term. I'm saying what is the point in drafting a QB in the 2nd, who would by all accounts come in with a steep learning curve, and if bad things happen to Cam, we're to believe said rookie QB could just step in and provide a more seamless transition than our current backup QB. Garbage, garbage, garbage. I'm done here.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, emcannon said:

 

Jeeeeezus. I'm not saying Kyle Allen is a better prospect long-term. I'm saying what is the point in drafting a QB in the 2nd, who would by all accounts come in with a steep learning curve, and if bad things happen to Cam, we're to believe said rookie QB could just step in and provide a more seamless transition than our current backup QB. Garbage, garbage, garbage. I'm done here.

This is your problem. You're continually arguing over what I believe while I'm talking more about what the Panthers believe.

You want to try to argue for a scenario where the Panthers believe what you believe. You can argue that all day. Doesn't matter. 

If the Panthers believe that Grier or some other quarterback gives them more or better options than Kyle Allen, they'll take them. It's not that complicated.

[Yaboychris28]

I like it a lot. Some of you guys need to admit that Cam Newton is it the same player he once was. Maybe Grier will mold into a Baker Mayfield type player and we wouldn’t have to sign Newton to a suffocating QB contract. 

[micnificent28]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Taking a round one QB is a legitimate option, whether it's at 16 or trading up into the latter half of the round.

I seriously doubt they will, but if there's really that much doubt about Newton's health, yeah they could.

People are hung up on Grier, and reasonably so given that there's plenty of chatter that the Panthers really like him, but he's not the only possible pick.

I don’t dout there are serious concerns about Newton’s health. And a coach on the hot seat has to do the best he can to save his job. My feelings are if you are that worried go get the best backup you can, you have to be all in on this. I dout if newton can’t go anyone in this draft saves the season. But as often seen a desperate coach will burn the future of a team to try to save his own arse.

I wouldn’t take any options off the board, I just don’t see how a qb in the second really saves the season tho. Your kind of doing one foot in one foot out kind of deal. Like it’s not a big enough deal to pursue in the first but it sure as hell cant wait til the 3rd. If that’s the case I’m hurney I’m calling to see what Arizona wants for Rosen.  If stock has fallen to second rounder I would feel much better there. Make the deal.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Yaboychris28 said:

I like it a lot. Some of you guys need to admit that Cam Newton is it the same player he once was. Maybe Grier will mold into a Baker Mayfield type player and we wouldn’t have to sign Newton to a suffocating QB contract. 

The Cam Newton of the past two years absolutely isn't the same player he once was. No arguing that.

The Cam Newton of this coming year? I don't know.

Neither do the Panthers.

That's the problem.

Given that they don't know, they'd be idiots not to have some kind of insurance policy. It's silly to argue otherwise.

You can question whether or not they're choosing the best option for an insurance policy, but questioning whether or not they need one is just ignoring reality.

[emcannon]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is your problem. You're continually arguing over what I believe while I'm talking more about what the Panthers believe.

You want to try to argue for a scenario where the Panthers believe what you believe. You can argue that all day. Doesn't matter. 

If the Panthers believe that Grier or some other quarterback gives them more or better options than Kyle Allen, they'll take them. It's not that complicated.

Awesome, thanks for pointing that out. Silly me, I didn't realize you weren't making the draft decisions for the Panthers.

[Growl]

The Panthers are a better team than people give them credit for, at least the offense is, and it's all the more reason to not draft a QB.

Value meets need all over the board. Capitalize on that and it Cam's shoulder is good then you've got a real chance at a super bowl run.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, emcannon said:

Awesome, thanks for pointing that out. Silly me, I didn't realize you weren't making the draft decisions for the Panthers.

You're thinking like a fan.

Coaches and GMs don't think like fans.

[micnificent28]

5 minutes ago, Yaboychris28 said:

I like it a lot. Some of you guys need to admit that Cam Newton is it the same player he once was. Maybe Grier will mold into a Baker Mayfield type player and we wouldn’t have to sign Newton to a suffocating QB contract. 

Baker was the number 1 pick in the draft. Finding Baker in the second is highly unlikely. These QBs have been vetted over and over since grade school. The ones with baker upside just don’t make it out of round one. You know who is in the second? Andy dalton,kap, guys with serious defects to there game that causes them to slide.