Will Grier interview on ESPN and ABC

[emcannon]

FOH. Cam Newton is our QB, and a damn good one at that. Picking Grier in the 2nd makes absolutely no sense. None whatsoever.

If Cam's shoulder isn't good to go this year, then we don't re-sign him, we tank and guess what? We're at the top of the draft either next year or the year after for what are supposed to be stellar QB classes. Grier doesn't even scratch the surface in comparison to the QB talent coming out the next 2 years.

[panthers55]

41 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

You asked me about TN game and I said career.  You have trouble reading?  Look, I know your homer instincts are kicking in but Grier is not good.  All analysts say he’s not good and likely will never be a good fit for NFL... 

I remember when anslysts thought it would take Cam two years to.learn the pro game.

[joeyxfresco]

Remember the days when we trash Ron by giving guys spots on the team because they’re “great guys”? Grier was a guy that was a top 10 projected player before his season started and his play throughout the year and at the senior bowl caused him to fall as high as the 3rd round comp area. If y’all are okay with drafting a “great guy” with a top 100 pick I don’t ever wanna hear you bitch about personnel moves on this board. I guess bringing in questionable guys is only okay if “he’s your guy”. But team over one individual right?

[joeyxfresco]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I remember when anslysts thought it would take Cam two years to.learn the pro game.

I remember when Cam was bonafide 1st overall pick coming off a heisman year and a national championship 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, emcannon said:

FOH. Cam Newton is our QB, and a damn good one at that. Picking Grier in the 2nd makes absolutely no sense. None whatsoever.

If Cam's shoulder isn't good to go this year, then we don't re-sign him, we tank and guess what? We're at the top of the draft either next year or the year after for what are supposed to be stellar QB classes. Grier doesn't even scratch the surface in comparison to the QB talent coming out the next 2 years.

We're not tanking the season because one player goes down, even if it's the starting quarterback.

This is quite possibly Greg Olsen's last season. For some other guys, this will be a contract year. It's an important developmental year for the second year guys and might be the only chance to make a good impression for some of the rookies.

But yeah, we're going to tell all of those guys, "Sorry, screw this season. We're not even gonna try because only one guy really matters." 

Besides how goofy that sounds, you're gonna tell me that a coach who wouldn't even tank a meaningless game that cost us several draft spots to win is gonna give up on an entire season?

Yeah... sure 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Possibly. I think "the game" is overrated, honestly. Other teams know what we need. It's not like it's a matter of national security.

And frankly, I'd really hate to think we wasted time scouting and interviewing players just to set up a smokescreen.

Why wouldn’t anyone do it. Especially with QBs. False assumptions and flat-out lies are what this is all about. It’s poker. I don’t believe anything that’s come out. Have dinner with a kid and attend pro day. Boom! Teams think you want a QB? Hypothetically. Not saying that is the case with Grier. 

   Just saying I would have tried to be a little more “subtle” in my approach if I really wanted him. JMO. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Why wouldn’t anyone do it. Especially with QBs. False assumptions and flat-out lies are what this is all about. It’s poker. I don’t believe anything that’s come out. Have dinner with a kid and attend pro day. Boom! Teams think you want a QB? Hypothetically. Not saying that is the case with Grier. 

   Just saying I would have tried to be a little more “subtle” in my approach if I really wanted him. JMO. 

Because there's such a thing as "outsmarting yourself".

There's no way I'd spend resources, especially "significant time", just to try and fool people. That's a waste.

I have no idea whether the Panthers will end up taking Grier or any other quarterback. I've seen enough to firmly believe that it's on the table though.

[emcannon]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

We're not tanking the season because one player goes down, even if it's the starting quarterback.

This is quite possibly Greg Olsen's last season. For some other guys, this will be a contract year. It's an important developmental year for the second year guys and might be the only chance to make a good impression for some of the rookies.

But yeah, we're going to tell all of those guys, "Sorry, screw this season. We're not even gonna try because only one guy really matters." 

Besides how goofy that sounds, you're gonna tell me that a coach who wouldn't even tank a meaningless game that cost us several draft spots to win is gonna give up on an entire season?

Yeah... sure 

???

I'm not saying we would intentionally tank, but obvi if QB1 goes down our team loses its competitive advantage & would be picking toward the top of the draft, wouldn't you agree? Or are you that delusional that you think our team is a playoff team without QB1? 

[MHS831]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Possibly. I think "the game" is overrated, honestly. Other teams know what we need. It's not like it's a matter of national security.

And frankly, I'd really hate to think we wasted time scouting and interviewing players just to set up a smokescreen.

Agreed. That is a rather stupid notion--you can look at a roster and determine what a team needs are--this ain't Poker.  Let's say teams know that we are interested in a QB after round 1 and they trade up to get Grier ahead of us in the second.  Well, we have shown interest (private workouts) with Stidham and Thorson--not Grier, according to the list I referenced this morning (WF),   So a team is more likely to guess wrong than right.  OR let's say that we love Grier but a Greg Little falls to us in the second and we decide a starting OL is more important.  Does a team trade up for Grier?  It is just too stupid to be playing this game in later rounds--maybe in the first round, but the deeper you go, the more variables come into play. 

The smarter play would be to pretend you love a player and promote his stock so that others may start believing it and reach. Like this Daniel Jones = Peyton Manning hype.  But all in all, you have a board and you never know how it is going to play out--other teams cannot predict your moves if you can't. Yes, the secret is out--we are looking QB.  We are also looking Edge, OT, OG, CB, FS, and maybe LB.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, emcannon said:

???

I'm not saying we would intentionally tank, but obvi if QB1 goes down our team loses its competitive advantage & would be picking toward the top of the draft, wouldn't you agree? Or are you that delusional that you think our team is a playoff team without QB1? 

There's a reason why you have backups.

Would we still wind up losing most of the games, but that depends on how good your backup and the team around him is.

Either way, you don't give up.

[Toomers]

22 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Agreed. That is a rather stupid notion--you can look at a roster and determine what a team needs are--this ain't Poker.  Let's say teams know that we are interested in a QB after round 1 and they trade up to get Grier ahead of us in the second.  Well, we have shown interest (private workouts) with Stidham and Thorson--not Grier, according to the list I referenced this morning (WF),   So a team is more likely to guess wrong than right.  OR let's say that we love Grier but a Greg Little falls to us in the second and we decide a starting OL is more important.  Does a team trade up for Grier?  It is just too stupid to be playing this game in later rounds--maybe in the first round, but the deeper you go, the more variables come into play. 

The smarter play would be to pretend you love a player and promote his stock so that others may start believing it and reach. Like this Daniel Jones = Peyton Manning hype.  But all in all, you have a board and you never know how it is going to play out--other teams cannot predict your moves if you can't. Yes, the secret is out--we are looking QB.  We are also looking Edge, OT, OG, CB, FS, and maybe LB.

 Really. Because just using this scenario as an example, how many wildly differing opinions are there on this very subject. It’s split on whether we should or shouldn’t. How would another team know EXACTLY how we feel about that, or any need? 

  You act like every report is 100% accurate and teams don’t put out false information. That’s comical. Or that teams don’t interview and scout players they have little interest in.

  Gruden sent his whole staff home. If every team knows what they need, why would he do that. Teams don’t waste time on that though. 

[Sub Zero]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

I don't think a rookie will be more impactful than Irvin and Addison and those are our starters. I really doubt they will be more impactful than Obada. When you get down to Cox or the rest yeah they might be more impactful but honestly so could a third rounder as well. The point is that no one who is a rookie at 16 will be a starter so the whole conversation about being screwed if we don't go edge rusher is way overblown. They aren't going to be starters this year and won't  be that important as folks seem to think.

Irvin and Addison  don't  play the same position..  Irvin won't be on the Dline like that.. He's either a 3/4 olb or a 4/3 strong side Lb.. 

And i see this Obada thing is overblown.. You have already Ryan Delaired him..lol

I don't know what happen to your football knowledge but be clear any of the top 6 pass rushers are starters day 1. Over Obada, Cox, and who ever you imagine is good on this roster..

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

 Gruden sent his whole staff home. If every team knows what they need, why would he do that. Teams don’t waste time on that though. 

Because he's a raging paranoid, and unfortunately it sounds like Mayock is too.

Mayock's own daughter sent a message out to the scouts apologizing. She said not to take offense because "he doesn't trust anybody".

[Sub Zero]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

That assumes that next year's class is as good as advertised and that is always a gamble. Plus  if Cam is healthy and we end up drafting at 25 or higher, many of these  great QBs will be gone. So we end up with no one better than this year and they have one year less in the system in the event we don't want to pay Cam 35-40 million.

I guess everybody "assumes" that than because thats the general consensus.. Next 2 draft are deeper and better for QB'S.. If your GM doesn't know that while everybody else does.  We're fuged any way..

If Cam's healthy than you can still draft a QB next year again "In a deeper and better QB draft".. While securing the future around Cam and the new QB this year.. With the better trench draft this year is...