Our entire draft direction is contingent on Moton.

[Black&BlueBubba]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I agree that Moton could play LT---what I am saying is Matsko, Turner, and Rivera had the option to play him there last year and did not--he competed with Kalil and did not win the job, he did not even get the job when Kalil went down.  On other teams, I have seen the RT move to LT when there was an injury.  You but your best T there.  Why was our future LT not playing LT over Clark and Newhouse?

So who started and played well against Dallas.  Please be factual.  I just don’t but the Clark / Newhouse argument.  We can agree to disagree.  

[Black&BlueBubba]

5 minutes ago, YETI said:

Talks of drafting an OT is pretty stupid.

Considering who we met with I think that is fully in the cards. 

[MHS831]

I am saying they had a chance to play Moton at LT last year and put a street free agent there instead.  He is a third year player-he was not a rookie.   Is that the same as developing rookies or second year players who were on IR as rookies and coming off surgery?  No.  I am talking about LT--there are certain positions you stack first--QB, LT are the 2 players on offense that determine success the most.  You can't compare that to developing rookie WRs.   Moton is a veteran now.

Answer my three questions---you did not.  That was all I  asked you to do.  3 questions.   I can cut it down to 2 if you need modifications.

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

Considering who we met with I think that is fully in the cards. 

Yes, but he gives  a lot  of reasons for his opinion.

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I am saying they had a chance to play Moton at LT last year and put a street free agent there instead.  He is a third year player-he was not a rookie.   Is that the same as developing rookies or second year players who were on IR as rookies and coming off surgery?  No.  I am talking about LT--there are certain positions you stack first--QB, LT are the 2 players on offense that determine success the most.  You can't compare that to developing rookie WRs.   Moton is a veteran now.

Answer my three questions---you did not.  That was all I  asked you to do.  3 questions.   I can cut it down to 2 if you need modifications.

There's no answering your questions. You want logical answers when this staff has consistently made illogical decisions with the OL depth chart.

[poorboysrev]

7 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

So you are saying that they  risk Cam's contract money (health) so they  can pay Kalil?  Not buying it.  We had an escape clause after 2 years and did not exercise it.  Not even close to being logical.

You expecting Ron and company not to make really questionable roster and depth chart decisions after years of watching them do it, again and again is the definition of  illogical.

But keep spouting out that what you say is gospel and anyone else’s take is foolish. I’m about to get off my sofa and take my daughters to an Easter Parade.

So I’ll leave you to it. Maybe you can pull your “I know I’m smarter than everyone, I just know it” tidy whiteys up even tighter so your head feels like it’s it has proper neck support while it’s up your own ass..

douche·bag

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   a small syringe for douching the vagina, especially as a contraceptive measure.
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   an obnoxious or contemptible person (typically used of a man).

    

   im more the informal type but feel free to choose

    

    

[MHS831]

21 minutes ago, Lumps said:

Why were Samuel and Moore on the bench while Funchess and Smith continues to fail? Why was Norwell on the bench while Amini was dancing around on the field? Why was Norman on the bench fully healthy when the secondary literally was destroyed and fell apart after he was benched? Why does Cam play meaningless games injured? Why on God’s  earth would you stick a DT, Chandler, on the offensive line and leave him there? Why would you make Gano one of the highest paid kickers in the league, and not of learned the lesson with Mare, when his production is below 30% of the NFL and why would you release Butker, a kicker you drafted only to show a ton of promise kicking at 1/6th the cost? 

So yea you’re right why the hell was Kalil a better option than Moton, especially when he played well there?

It couldn’t because the coaches have a hard time evaluating talent it must be because he doesn’t fit and wouldn’t be good. Lots of basis for that.

In the past, when I read the tea leaves about the coach's decisions,  I am immediately  attacked because everyone fails to see what I am doing.  Thanks for understanding that this is an analysis of the signs that the coaches may not put Moton at LT based on the fact that they have had that option in the past and did not.  That is all I am saying. I personally think Moton should get a look there and should have played there last year--but I have respect for Matsko and Turner.  Rivera?  not so much when it comes to personnel.

[Black&BlueBubba]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

 

Why did Moton not beat out Matt Kalil at LT last year?

Because he was a $55 mil man and their hope at the start of the season was to have Khalil at LT, Moton at LG, and Williams at Rt.  That theory never made it out of training camp. What did make it out of training camp was the theory to go into the season with Moton at LT and Williams at RT.  

Why did Moton not go to LT when Williams and Kalil were injured (instead we hired a street free agent)?

This is where you and I disagree.  At that point it was pure damage control.   The guy they felt was the best dude to get off the couch was a long term LT. Yes Clark did play RT for the Broncos. But most of his career was on the left and as all the pundents said in the media, he was better on the left side.  So when you are in damage control and you have a guy who is comfortable on the left and another who is almost elite on the right you don’t switch them  just for experimentation purposes.  

At the end of the season, when we benched Cam and the season was done, why did we not take a long look at Moton at LT? 

Poor coaching and talent evaluators. This is not the first time we have seen this.  Amini/ Norwell ring a bell?   Based on your argument Amini should have been our long term starting LG.  Was that a correct evaluation?  

 

 I will pose a question in return.  If the coaching staff had “No plans” at Moton for LT than why did he start there against Dallas and not Williams?  

Above in bold are my answers to your questions. 

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, poorboysrev said:

You expecting Ron and company not to make really questionable roster and depth chart decisions after years of watching them do it, again and again is the definition of  illogical.

But keep spouting out that what you say is gospel and anyone else’s take is foolish. I’m about to get off my sofa and take my daughters to an Easter Parade.

So I’ll leave you to it. Maybe you can pull your “I know I’m smarter than everyone, I just know it” tidy whiteys up even tighter so your head feels like it’s it has proper neck support while it’s up your own ass..

douche·bag

/ˈdo͞oSHbaɡ/

Learn to pronounce

noun

1. 1. 

   a small syringe for douching the vagina, especially as a contraceptive measure.
2. 2. 

   INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN

   an obnoxious or contemptible person (typically used of a man).

    

   im more the informal type but feel free to choose

    

    

 Remember, you attacked my comment with misguided, uninformed sarcasm.  You quickly  made it personal based on your misunderstanding of a rather common word.  And now you flaunt your Google skills to call me a name.  Next time, don't  forget to get your meds before a long weekend.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's no answering your questions. You want logical answers when this staff has consistently made illogical decisions with the OL depth chart.

Bingo.

You can have discussions based on what a rational leadership would do, but when your leader is Michael Scott the whole tenor of the debate changes.

[MHS831]

Just now, Black&BlueBubba said:

 I will pose a question in return.  If the coaching staff had “No plans” at Moton for LT than why did he start there against Dallas and not Williams?  

And I will add, Why did he not return to LT?  I don't know the answer.  I thought he looked good there.  I am figuring out the coach's decisions, not my preferences.  To figure out the draft (as fun as it is to try), it makes no difference what I think they  should do--when I state the facts from last year, people think I am supporting my opinion about  Moton--nope.  I am guessing what they  coaches might be thinking about personnel.

We could have escaped the Kalil  contract after 2 years, but there was the "I am finally healthy" tease.  Do they start a player because they gave him a bad contract?  Do you risk Cam's career because DG made a boo boo?  I do not buy that. 

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

I agree that the coaching staff absolutely did not want to put Moton at left tackle, but it comes down to this question.

Is that because Moton isn't a good left tackle or because the coaching staff isn't very good at talent evaluation?

(I lean towards the latter)

[MHS831]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I agree that the coaching staff absolutely did not want to put Moton at left tackle, but it comes down to this question.

Is that because Moton isn't a good left tackle or because the coaching staff isn't very good at talent evaluation?

(I lean towards the latter)

That is the issue.  I see nothing to suggest that Moton cannot play LT.  What did Clark and Newhouse have over him there?   And they kept him at RT, even when Cam was being beaten to a pulp.  If our coaches (Ron, ultimately) are that dumb, then figuring out what they may do in the draft is impossible.  My point about Ford supports the position that he is a safe pick because he can play 4 positions--since they seem to have no idea what they are doing up front.

[MHS831]

22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's no answering your questions. You want logical answers when this staff has consistently made illogical decisions with the OL depth chart.

That is the point.  Trying to guess what they will do is the issue in late April, not what I want (many think I am saying, "Moton can't play LT." ) Not the case.  I  can say this reason is why  I am guessing they  go for a hybrid G/T.  We shall see.